Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

How predictable we’ve reached the point where those trying to persuade us we must vote Labour are insulting us if we won’t fall in line

As this is absolutely fundamental to whether a person is honest or has a grasp on reality or not I would beg to differ. If I ask politicians if they think that a woman has a penis and they answer yes then I know that this person is either a liar or a fool. If a person will lie about something so fundamental, or believe something based on an unproven ideological belief with no real evidence behind it, then I am not going to trust them with a cake stall never mind the country that I live in.

Snap!

At least they have attempted to row back some of this woke claptrap! Labour have sold us down the river.

Why haven’t Labour appointed a single female leader to date? Wanna answer that question?

Your safety might mean absolutely nothing to you - but it means everything to me as I have daughters.

Absolutely

and also for those canvassers on our doorsteps that are just starting to wake up to the problem us as voters raising this and making it clear how important we think it is helps give them courage to start saying back to the others in their party that this is a problem

Women’s rights (including police and justice misogynistic lack of action to protect them) plus climate crisis, plus the dismantling of arms industry are key issues for me.
So Labour (my usual go to) is no go zone right now.
Tories and similar parties never were on my voting radar, they remain there although I admire some of their female MPs in great contrast with Labour treatment of R Duffield.
The greens are going the same way the German greens went. Batshittery, on the despicable’s corner since the scandal with the Challenors.
The LD wishy washy stance on everything is another off the list, sooo Political Homelessness for me

I'm party-less right now, and may have nobody to vote for.

I just wanted to reply to that Labour leader question. I think that, had she not been murdered, Jo Cox might have stood a good chance.

No, MissScarlet, there are not. That's how the EU works, it is about big business, not about small ones, or ordinary people. Why do you think there are demonstrations by the gillet jaunes, riots and anger in Greece because their pensions and their welfare and health service were hollowed out to pay the debts caused by being in the euro, and thus having the same exchange rate as the Deutschemarke (which is what the euro is afaik).

Absolutely this.

If a politician is incapable of understanding basic scientific facts and will lie through their teeth about them then I don’t trust that they’ll be capable of grasping any other important matter. Add to that their willingness to shove the rights of women and girls under a bus and ditto - they demonstrate a misogynistic attitude and contempt for women that will carry over into every other political decision they make.

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Yes, Grammarnut, there are a fuck tonne of inaccuracies in that post. But this isn't a Brexit thread and I've already been told off for derailing it.

For those who blame the Tories for letting gender-woo take hold, as well as the Glinner substack, there is also this newspaper article on the Denton's strategy:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

It was deliberately under the radar on the coattails of LGB.

I don't blame the Tories for being sucked in initially, a great many GC women were also taken in by it. I judge people on their actions once they become aware of the reality, and Labour as a party fail miserably. I'm no Tory either, but they'll be getting my vote. Even if Starmer changes his tune I just can't trust him.

For those who have mentioned Thatcher, I didn't agree with most of her policies, but I respected her for having her principles and standing by them. Starmer by contrast appears to be totally unprincipled. And therefore un-votable for me. And the level of misogyny in the Labour party has been an eye-opener, so the party generally will not be getting my vote, even without Starmer at the helm.

thinking about this thread today:

I think in a way it's inaccurate to say anyone is voting ONLY on this issue. What's really happening is that when people weigh their choices, this is the thing that tips the balance.

The fact is that as much as they'd like tp claim some socialist high ground, there is not much space between the policies of the LP and the Tories, and the LP aren't going to do many of the things people might like. You could say the same of the Tories.

There are a relatively small number of things where there will be a substantive differernce, and so those will take on a lot more importance.

Then there are things like the quality of individual candidates, or trust in the party, or the local candidate, or similar somewhat difficult to lay out elements.

Yes, the vote was UK wide but 55.8% of people in NI voted Remain against 44.2% Leave.
So it's more correct to say a majority of voters in that part of the UK voted to remain. Not some.

But I'm sure you know this.

I would like to vote as the gender critical feminist I am, but I can't. I'm disabled and I can't hack the cruelty of this Tory government.

No. There are way too many other massive issues that come along with the Tories. In particular, I can't ignore their current war on the poor and disabled and want them out before they will truly make things very hard for disabled people in particular. The crap that has come out of Rishi's mouth lately have completely cemented my decision not to vote for them. There's no way I could live with myself. They cannot be given a mandate to bring in the changes he's suggesting, and I cannot sit and watch while a multi-millionaire demonises and finger points at the poor and disabled as if THEY are the problem. Although I don't trust labour to look after the rights of women and girls at all sadly. And I don't think Kier will make a great prime minister either. It's the best of a bad bunch.

@MuddlingMackem

Misogyny in the Labour Party? What do you mean.

Of Labour MPs, 51% are women. More than half.

Tory MPs, 26% are women.

Thanks for that @MuddlingMackem I hope this gets seen by the people suggesting the three female PMs are proving how pro women Tories are.

Apologies if there is already a link to this in the thread and it's a duplicate:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5048705-selfid-law-passed-in-german-parliament?page=1

Although Germany is a different country, with a different history, the discussion here seems directly relevant. There's a comment in it that says if we were currently under a Labour government, we'd be in a similar situation now re self-ID. I agree.
What remains to be seen is whether a Labour government would a) follow the pattern of Germany, Scotland, Canada etc, now that we have the Cass Report and other headway b) be able to fix any of the issues that desperately need addressing if they do.
In the discussion you get a real sense of the Dentons' strategy at play, in how Germany found itself in this situation.

I will be spoiling my ballot for the first time.

Labour used to operate women only short lists didn't it? The emphasis on the Left has always been on group identities and on choosing/appointing people based on their group identity.

You are still framing everything in terms of an intersectionalist analysis - predicated on group identities.

I'm really not. But you keep trying with the big words 😆

There is a lot of truth in what Grammarnut says, though. Those are the sorts of reasons that many on the Left were against the EU. People such as Jeremy Corbyn. They saw that it privileged just a small group and served, primarily, the interests of international capital.