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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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TheBlueRoad · 02/05/2024 16:36

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TooBigForMyBoots · 02/05/2024 17:07

RebelliousCow · 02/05/2024 16:16

She was very popular with the grassroots membership - which is how she got elected.

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Truss wasn't that popular. She was just more popular than Sunak.

Snowypeaks · 02/05/2024 17:08

Thatcher wasn't a feminist. She was still a woman.

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:23

You might discuss the merits or otherwise of conservative PMs but at least there are women to discuss!!!
Powerful ones at that. Labour have never even had a party leader that was female much less ever managed to get one voted in to lead the country.

If it was down to labour we wouldn’t have a single example of women in power. It is now 2024 and combined with their trans position they are making it abundantly clear how they feel about us. It’s a fucking disgrace.

AstonsDataThief · 02/05/2024 17:26

Oh to be so unpopular that 35,507 people vote for me to represent them for the third time, and more party members vote for me to be leader than the other guy.

Labour must be hoping they turn out to be really unpopular!

Vampirelovebite · 02/05/2024 17:28

I can't vote for the Tories after their behaviour during Covid. It sickened me to my core.

I won't vote for Lib Dems as they're fully captured by the TQIA+ cult and any party that is so easily led by pressure groups is too weak to lead a country full of ordinary people.

Greens - not a real party.

So I was going to vote Labour but I just can't. They don't seem to like women at all or care about us.

So I have no options. It's devastating.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/05/2024 17:30

Yes there is no independent in my area. I can't bring myself to vote Lib Dem, Green, Tory or Labour.

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:31

Vampirelovebite · 02/05/2024 17:28

I can't vote for the Tories after their behaviour during Covid. It sickened me to my core.

I won't vote for Lib Dems as they're fully captured by the TQIA+ cult and any party that is so easily led by pressure groups is too weak to lead a country full of ordinary people.

Greens - not a real party.

So I was going to vote Labour but I just can't. They don't seem to like women at all or care about us.

So I have no options. It's devastating.

It’s a shit position to be in 2024.
I looked into the greens and they are totally sold on the trans issue ans well, knee high, and as you say a wasted vote anyway.

Thw suffragettes would be appalled that you can’t vote, nor feel anyone truly represents you.

AstonsDataThief · 02/05/2024 17:32

SDP in your area?

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:46

AstonsDataThief · 02/05/2024 17:32

SDP in your area?

Never ever heard of them. That doesn’t bode well.

MuggedByReality · 02/05/2024 17:48

No.

I will be voting, first & foremost, to kick the Tories out of office. In pursuit of this aim, I will vote for whichever candidate is best placed to beat the Tory in my constituency.

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:53

MuggedByReality · 02/05/2024 17:48

No.

I will be voting, first & foremost, to kick the Tories out of office. In pursuit of this aim, I will vote for whichever candidate is best placed to beat the Tory in my constituency.

I assume you are not a woman given your indifference to women’s rights.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/05/2024 17:55

Vampirelovebite · 02/05/2024 17:28

I can't vote for the Tories after their behaviour during Covid. It sickened me to my core.

I won't vote for Lib Dems as they're fully captured by the TQIA+ cult and any party that is so easily led by pressure groups is too weak to lead a country full of ordinary people.

Greens - not a real party.

So I was going to vote Labour but I just can't. They don't seem to like women at all or care about us.

So I have no options. It's devastating.

Snap. I will be spoiling my ballot paper for the first (and hopefully the last) time.

Grammarnut · 02/05/2024 18:18

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/05/2024 09:50

The CTA does indeed predate the EU. That means that when the UK and Ireland entered into it, neither was subject to external restrictions as a result of being in a massive trading bloc. In the intervening years both the UK and Ireland joined the EU (simultaneously, for fairly obvious reasons) and so when that situation changed, it changed for both the UK and Ireland, in the same way and at the same time, having no impact on the CTA.

Obviously one of the two then deciding to leave the EU whilst the other remained completely changed the whole situation. It was never going to be possible to return to the status quo ante, because things have moved on considerably since the 1960s.

Leaving without a deal would have been hugely irresponsible and undemocratic, particularly in light of the fact that Northern Ireland voted to remain.

If we'd had a subsequent referendum on hard vs soft Brexit we'd have ended up with soft Brexit for sure.

NI did not vote to Remain. Some voters in that part of the UK voted to remain. The vote was UK-wide, and the UK as a whole voted to Leave. As it happens voters in NI and Scotland who voted Leave carried the referendum over the line by 4%.

PhDinaseive · 02/05/2024 18:40

I've voted for a councillor and PCC who have women's rights front and centre, strangely they are both conservative!!

MinorDisaster · 02/05/2024 19:15

PhDinaseive · 02/05/2024 18:40

I've voted for a councillor and PCC who have women's rights front and centre, strangely they are both conservative!!

For the first time in half a century of voting, I voted Conservative, for the standing PCC candidate. He bothered to reply to my questions extremely promptly. He was nearly completely ok in what he replied but a bit fuzzy about conflating sex and gender in one answer, sounded friendly and approachable, and volunteered a load of extra, credible, sensible, local information about safety for women and girls. He doesn't know it yet but, if he's re-elected, I plan to engage in a dialogue with him until he's got the sex/gender thing sorted out.
Two of the other candidates didn't reply. The fourth, the LibDem, had put down the official contact email for the PCC, ie the existing Conservative commissioner's one, as his own email <sigh> so I didn't bother emailing him. The admin didn't inspire confidence!

AhNowTed · 02/05/2024 19:19

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:23

You might discuss the merits or otherwise of conservative PMs but at least there are women to discuss!!!
Powerful ones at that. Labour have never even had a party leader that was female much less ever managed to get one voted in to lead the country.

If it was down to labour we wouldn’t have a single example of women in power. It is now 2024 and combined with their trans position they are making it abundantly clear how they feel about us. It’s a fucking disgrace.

The first of whom was the most divisive PM in modern history.

The next useless.

The next crashed the economy, and we're all paying for it.

None of whom did a SINGLE thing for women's cause. Or children.

Do tell us what the Tories have done for women in the last 14 years?

Not words, but actual policy that have benefited women?

Grammarnut · 02/05/2024 19:19

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 07:45

Oh, you are one of those Brexit bores still banging on years later <yawn>

She's right. And the effects of the four freedoms are as follows: free movement of labour lowers wages across the EU (that's the intention), free movement of capital supports the right of establishment, which has the effect of over-riding local conditions and union actions as well as resulting in e.g. utilities in one country being owned by a private company in another, with all the problems of controlling prices and sources of energy that causes; free movement of services puts people out of jobs, e.g. as long as all the participant countries follow the Civil Code legal actions, contracts etc can be done by any lawyer in the EU, thus putting jobs for lawyers in high-earning countries at risk - this goes for all services; free movement of goods means that a country cannot protect nascent industries or industries and services it needs e.g. the UK was told it could not give a contract for rail rolling stock to the local company (can't remember the name) the contract had to go to a non-UK bidder - this causes problems with local supply and lead to industries going bust or a whole tranch of interlocked industries disappearing, as light industry did in the West Midlands, causing unemployment for people in that region so that manufacturers in cheaper labour countries could build up their industry, and eventually lower wages across the EU. The EU is about big business, and is not interested in supporting SMES, which are a country's way of developing its own industry. Coupled with neo-liberalism (which is what globalism is all about) this leads to a perfect storm of unemployment, undermining of a country's soveriegnty to control its own industries and energy etc. Not wanting to be part of this is perfectly reasonable, esp as the UK is a Common Law country and the Civil Code rules mince that.

About actual question on this thread, my county is electing a Police Commissioner (an office I do not believe should be subject to election) and I voted in it for the first time (see brackets) thinking I would spoil my ballot but realising that there is blood on the ballot box and we all should use our votes. I ended up voting for the nut-job I thought probably knew what a woman was (he believes in ghosts etc and writes about them, but hey, he can probably run the police because he's the sitting candidate) and three out of the other four belonged to parties which, to my knowledge, don't. The final candidate was pro-Palestine, which was a no-no for me since Oct 7th. (Did add, that I was not invalidating my vote, but this office ought not to be subject to election.)So I suppose I voted on the woman issue, but will have to think again at a general election as the NHS, welfare state matter more (but then there is the vexed question of whether Labour will remove the phonics test as teaching unions want, even though it is the best way to see if a child can lift the words from the page, a necessary precursor to understanding what you are reading and enjoying reading).

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/05/2024 19:31

Yikes, @Grammarnut. There's a fair few inaccuracies there.

Dineasair · 02/05/2024 19:44

Zonder · 02/05/2024 16:12

Of course they don't have to behave in a certain way. But Thatcher became PM by displaying more traditional, stereotypical male characteristics of the 1970s than many men around her.

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not saying women should be ladylike and dainty. It's what she did. She was our first woman PM but she really didn't further the cause of women in general and seemed to have no time for most women.

That’s true, women who grow up in an androcentric society tend to rise to the top only when they are seen to be more “Ballsy” than the men. The being “ hand bagged” quip wasn’t really a joke, they were metaphorically “hand bagged” all the time. Women like that tend to believe that if they show an interest in women’s issues or even empathy then they will be perceived as weak and therefore unworthy of power, and they are right, they often are.

Justaboutalive · 02/05/2024 19:44

AhNowTed · 02/05/2024 19:19

The first of whom was the most divisive PM in modern history.

The next useless.

The next crashed the economy, and we're all paying for it.

None of whom did a SINGLE thing for women's cause. Or children.

Do tell us what the Tories have done for women in the last 14 years?

Not words, but actual policy that have benefited women?

The Tory’s have a policy that allows them to elect females as head off their party, or PM. The Labour Party - not so much.
I don’t agree with a lot, or most of Conservative policy, but I cannot vote for the Labour Party until they a) are able to identify women, b) don’t put up barriers to women.

Both parties have control over themselves and how they select and promote their MPs. One has allowed women to succeed, one hasn’t.

IDontHateRainbows · 02/05/2024 19:53

Dineasair · 02/05/2024 19:44

That’s true, women who grow up in an androcentric society tend to rise to the top only when they are seen to be more “Ballsy” than the men. The being “ hand bagged” quip wasn’t really a joke, they were metaphorically “hand bagged” all the time. Women like that tend to believe that if they show an interest in women’s issues or even empathy then they will be perceived as weak and therefore unworthy of power, and they are right, they often are.

In no way was Thatcher a feminist.

But as a six year old girl, seeing her 'in charge ' did a lot for my young brain to believe women could do anything

MuggedByReality · 02/05/2024 19:57

Polishedshoesalways · 02/05/2024 17:53

I assume you are not a woman given your indifference to women’s rights.

I assume you are an idiot given your apparent belief that transgender issues are the most important issue facing the U.K. 🙄

EasternStandard · 02/05/2024 20:00

IDontHateRainbows · 02/05/2024 19:53

In no way was Thatcher a feminist.

But as a six year old girl, seeing her 'in charge ' did a lot for my young brain to believe women could do anything

It’s important to see it, and if it were just the Labour party we wouldn’t have

Dineasair · 02/05/2024 20:03

IDontHateRainbows · 02/05/2024 19:53

In no way was Thatcher a feminist.

But as a six year old girl, seeing her 'in charge ' did a lot for my young brain to believe women could do anything

i didn’t say Thatcher was a feminist either, so I don’t really get your point.