Sir Kier Starmer on GMB now being asked what his stance on trans gender is

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He said he apologises to people eating their breakfast'.

He is being questioned about his treatment of Rosie Duffield but he's not answered really and moved the convo swiftly to Brianna Ghey

Susannah said you told the MP Rosie Duffield that she is wrong to say only women have a cervix and he is again deflecting.

Says he believes in safe spaces for women.

Women's prisons? - deflects again to the NHS today. no answer to any direct questions.

Says again about safe spaces being important- but again deflecting and whittering about the constituion

SR asking for clarity- is it right or wrong for RD to say only women have a cervix - KS- she is biologically right. SR- should you apologise to her?
KS- deflects. Wants discussion. Not answering the question.

I'm giving up now. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. Keeps deflecting.

IMO of course.

He's a politician so it kind of goes with the territory

They're so far in hock to noisy minority groups that he probably daren't say anything firm though - just hope that not enough people care about it to make a difference electorally

Rosie for PM!!

Do I trust this man. No.

I know 🥺

If a man can grow a cervix, then a blancmange can surely grow a backbone.

Oh, wait......

Just watched the inetrview.

He just said only biologically women have a cervix, fluffed the apology to Rosie D and tried to say he would try an treat trans people with dignity and respect.
Agreed that women should be treated in single sex wards.

What is everyone up in arms about?

Remember who has run down the NHS to such as extent that they can no longer offer enough space for women and that even their own former health minister resigned and went to Labour.

@MrsOvertonsWindow Whilst in many cases you re dead right, who has enabled this sorry state of affairs? clue its not Labour.

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Dignity and privacy for women maybe. He’s utterly oblivious to this.

Clear language not bumbling around ‘safe spaces’

And why just wards?

I don't tend to get embroiled in these threads, just skim for the essense.

But this "If a man can grow a cervix, then a blancmange can surely grow a backbone." made me proper chuckle.

Never had my vote an never going to get it.

And yet he is going to destroy our rights - he is going to drag women back to the dark ages because he is not even acknowledging our biology correctly much less taking our rights seriously.

You might be grateful for crumbs but I expect better - I want at least to be represented by someone that recognises how important women’s rights are - and our unique vulnerability to the initimidation and bullying we are subjected to by men dressed as women, trying to erase our identity, dignity and legal protection entirely. I want a strong leader that is not afraid to tell the lobbyists that women will not be sacrificed. A person willing to take it on - but no, we have a jellied eel slipping all over the place with a fixed grin and a bloated and corrupt view of how women should step aside, shut up and be kind.

Hmmm well what a PP said is sounding more and more likely now! It appears to be the only likely reason that explains how evasive he is being about this, particularly post Cass. Like PP have said, if personal issues are clouding his judgement in this, he needs to declare his bias or step down as leader and focus on his family. He can't make policies to suit his own personal circumstances. Especially in light of Cass and all the other evidence that gender ideology is negatively impacting on women's rights and safeguarding.

Think you'll find that most of are in agreement about the Conservative's complete culpability for all this. But for those of us who are / were Labour voters, it's so disappointing to hear Starmer unable to address this. It should be easy - Cass has given HIM a get out clause:
"Given the revelations about the extent of unevidenced ,experimental medical treatment of children that has been influenced by political ideology rather than the medical standards of treatment that apply to all other child health care, we unhesitatingly support the recommendations in the Cass Report... etc etc'
He doesn't have to say sorry about his TWAW statements - Streeting has done that for him. He just has to acknowledge that this is a difficult issue with strong feelings but that politicians must recognise that there are competing rights that society needs to balance and that with greater awareness, information, our thinking has moved on.
Which is what Streeting is now saying - all credit to him.

At least you know what you are dealing with.
HOWEVER in Scotland, under our current Hate Crime laws, you cannot say anything about it.
Starmer is slippery but at least you can speak & write about it without fear of being accused of a Hate Crime (which, if you do not meet the threshold of, you can still unknowingly be recorded as committing a Non Hate Crime Incident which remains on record & will show on the Scottish equivalent of a DBA check)

You are seriously taking stories off the daily fail? You do know papers make up all sorts of shyte?

The problem here is that KS has pivoted on this subject as he started to see the wind changing. It's pretty inconvenient for him to have his previous quotes read back to him.

@Thegoodbadandugly This article was written by Rosie Duffield;

https://archive.ph/9bLnf

Do you think the Daily Mail is all lies and the Guardian all truth? Jeez. Starmer's snubbing of Rosie is a matter of record. It's her words, not the Mail's.

I haven’t heard this.

One of Neil Kinnock’s grandchildren is much older and is under the trans umbrella.

I think for Kier a "safe space" is a space for all females and any males who will promise cross-their-heart that they definitely aren't rapists, perverts or fettishists so any women can feel totally safe in their presence. Obviously as it's a safe space anyone using violent language against those males (such as pointing out that they are male) will be made to leave because that is the worst kind of violence.

The PMC (including intelligence services) at gung ho for this shit in a really crazed way, exactly why is a real mystery.
Its what they were taught at Uni? it is something 'progressive' without having to actually change anything? it undermines the family?

I'd love to know, I have a suspicion that if we knew the answer to this question we would be a lot wiser as to who or what controls our society (if anything does)

I doubt he has a trans kid though.

I don't believe they suddenly developed strong support for human rights. And that doesn't explain why its a sudden, Western-wide phenomenon, or why they are so lassaiz-faire about other actual threats to human rights such as incel ideology or male violence.

It's even more batshit up in Scotland.
I can't vote SNP, or Green due to the Hate Crime bill (Labour also voted for this only the Scottish Tories voted against it but how the hell could I vote Tory? NO)

I was going to hold my nose & vote Labour but if KS is going to weaponise the murder of Brianna Ghey like this to avoid difficult qu's post Cass then I'm not sure I can vote for them either!

I may have to spoil my ballot for the first time ever.

I think Labour and the Tories have both been culpable on this topic, although I do think the Tories have done a better job than most left-wing administrations over the last few years (not great, but we’re not in the mess seen in eg Australia or Canada).

However, my vote is more about who I think will address this going forward. Wes Streeting is talking a good game, but Starmer seems to be showing where Labour’s true direction lies - not least because he obviously feels the need to conceal it.