Sir Kier Starmer on GMB now being asked what his stance on trans gender is

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He said he apologises to people eating their breakfast'.

He is being questioned about his treatment of Rosie Duffield but he's not answered really and moved the convo swiftly to Brianna Ghey

Susannah said you told the MP Rosie Duffield that she is wrong to say only women have a cervix and he is again deflecting.

Says he believes in safe spaces for women.

Women's prisons? - deflects again to the NHS today. no answer to any direct questions.

Says again about safe spaces being important- but again deflecting and whittering about the constituion

SR asking for clarity- is it right or wrong for RD to say only women have a cervix - KS- she is biologically right. SR- should you apologise to her?
KS- deflects. Wants discussion. Not answering the question.

I'm giving up now. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. Keeps deflecting.

IMO of course.

Yep, my judgement is pretty bad on his actions so far.

If he's willing to deny reality on this to placate a small vocal lobby group, he'll be willing to do it on other issues too.

Imagine if we’d seen this a few years ago. Unthinkable.

You are using wiki as a source? Well that's just useless.
Same with the guardian. Openly gender affirmers.
And the BBC, amazing how all your links lead to gender zealots.

And transwomen like miranda yardley? And fione orlander (spl)
Oh dear, it's very very clear you've done zero research.

Do you know I haven't even seen this show, just the advert for it but I know exactly the actor you mean. The advert started auto playing and I immediately thought "that's a man". It seems to be something easily spotted, my 2 year old spotted it too!

Humans cannot change sex but humans (like all mammals) can also correctly sex other humans very easily.

So which is it - is he spectacularly dim or too scared to upset the weans?

either way - not PM material. He needs to grow a pair.

@Cailleach1 i had exactly the same experience when watching Doctor Who over Christmas - first thought “Hmm, jawline.” Quickly followed by “Hands, height, Adam’s apple”.

It can be harder to spot on TV/film because they are fully made up, in the best possible lighting, etc but the tell tale signs are always there. They never “pass” in the flesh.

I also had similar thoughts during Eurovision a few years ago, I’d never heard of Nikkie de Jager but the massive height difference compared to the other female hosts was the give away. Interestingly in the promo pictures, the hosts were usually pictured separately or had Nikkie sitting down…

Thankyou for posting this I have completed it and would never have heard of this consultation had you not posted. For those who have not looked at it it is definitely worth completing.

For example I was shocked that whilst gender, religion, sexual orientation etc etc are all protected in the nhs our sex is not! If you fill out the form you can vote for it to be added.

I meant on here. If you accept that (aside from people declaring their sex) you can tell by how they write, or what they write, and I think there's some truth in that claim. Are those sex based distinctions or gender based. Also, does anyone have a clear idea of the biological components to gender, not just neurobiology (where it's clear there's some masculinisation/feminisation that occurs regarding hormone exposure)?

An old favourite film of mine, which couldn't be made now, is Soapdish. Yes, they do the standard twist of the transwoman who passes perfectly and everyone's astonished to find out. And yes, the character is played by a female actor (though a tall woman), with female features and proportions.

But it's a subtly brilliant bit of acting by Cathy Moriarty. She looks female, sounds female, but there's something about her mannerisms that's just a little off. So you get that 'aha' moment.

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It was Labour who introduced the GRA in the first place, not the Tories.

How can anyone possibly take him seriously as a party leader or a prime minister? Really?

Oh. I assumed rice pudding. I suppose either fits 😂

They've probably observed that he performs very well in Parliamentary debates and PMQs.

What difference does that make? Seeing someone of the male sex, esp in a supposedly safe space, could easily set off someone's PTSD or other trauma response. It could make it so traumatized women not only can't attend but may need to avoid that rape crisis center or possibly any rape crisis center bc of their flashbacks and the trauma now being associated with rape crisis centers. E.g., if they went and the trans woman triggered flashbacks, even thinking about that person or that setting later could set off those same flashbacks. Flashbacks can last hours, days, weeks, or months. You relive the traumatic experience, with all the terror, pain, hopelessness, humiliation, etc.

I think trans women (and all ppl) deserve support services. I don't think ppl should have to risk exacerbating their rape trauma by going to a rape support center.

It sounds like this isn't a problem for you. I'm glad. But it is a problem for many women and quite a few girls.

No, he doesn’t perform well - he performs like a programmed robot - he is the least charismatic person ever to grace the political stage, with the gravitas of Mr Bean - I can’t imagine him on the world stage being taken seriously in his cheap waxy suits lisping about woke nonsense.

Lots of men wear trousers.

What's your point?

Here's the Times piece today on Starmer's non-apology, with responses from JKR and Rosie Duffield

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f1dcea01-dfe8-4787-b38f-88c517488e9d?shareToken=da115359c5732fc5c755acb6f4983866

"Went along with it??" These were Tory policies, which Labour absolutely opposed.

But with the Tories having significant majorities, there is little they can do about it.

"Until fairly recently" i had to laugh at that gem, Hunt is funding 31 billion in tax cuts by slashing public services, now who do you think that will hurt the most? men or women/children?

The Tories are all talk.

"Went along with it??" These were Tory policies, which Labour absolutely opposed.

Have you got evidence of Labour's opposition? Can't recall seeing it myself.

This is more in-line with Labour policy.

Plus, quite a bit of what's happened in relation to the loss of single sex spaces wasn't policy, as such, but crept in via management being influenced by Stonewall etc. Allowed by the GRA, which is Labour legislation. The GRA combined with the lack of clarity in the EA led to 'Stonewall law' being trained into both the public and private sector and the Tories were asleep at the wheel as it happened in the background.

In addition to what Nowordforfluffy has posted, why are you deflecting to Tory cuts in public services?
Because you know very well that Labour did not oppose genderwoo and the concomitant harms to women and children - they cheered it on.

Labour never backed 14 years of austerity at all, Miliband didn't neither did Corbyn, they voted against Tory spending cuts time and time again.

GRA was a Labour thing, backed by the Tories at the time & the Tories have no plans to change, they think it strikes the right balance.

"Asleep at the wheel" The tories actively went about slashing social services spending, DV refuges, introduced the 2 child benefit cap, introduced the rooms tax, tapered off child benefit, failed to fund the NHS so we had enough staff and beds for single sex wards.
Under their watch, the numbers of women murdered by men in a domestic setting is going UP.

Children in poverty UP.

Do you want more of this? thats the choice at the next GE.

I've come to the conclusion that the whole reason for this idiocy is distraction.
Incompetent politicians with milk puddings where their brains ought to be are incapable of tackling the many very serious issues facing the world today. So having us all wasting our time arguing about biology and the definition of a woman means they don't have to hurt their tiny brains trying to think about the big stuff.

It was something Sal Grover said on one of her interviews. - how she (and other women) would much rather be doing things like tackling the lack of education for girls in Afghanistan etc but we have to waste our time, energy and money fight court cases with the Roxy Tickle's of the world to prove that women don't have penises.

Keir can whine about the toxic debate and whether it is right to say only women have a cervix but isn't that easier than coming up with a viable plan for peace in the Middle East?

Excellent point. Politics has been going this way for a while, sadly.