Sir Kier Starmer on GMB now being asked what his stance on trans gender is

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He said he apologises to people eating their breakfast'.

He is being questioned about his treatment of Rosie Duffield but he's not answered really and moved the convo swiftly to Brianna Ghey

Susannah said you told the MP Rosie Duffield that she is wrong to say only women have a cervix and he is again deflecting.

Says he believes in safe spaces for women.

Women's prisons? - deflects again to the NHS today. no answer to any direct questions.

Says again about safe spaces being important- but again deflecting and whittering about the constituion

SR asking for clarity- is it right or wrong for RD to say only women have a cervix - KS- she is biologically right. SR- should you apologise to her?
KS- deflects. Wants discussion. Not answering the question.

I'm giving up now. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. Keeps deflecting.

IMO of course.

I would also very much like him to put out a statement re: Cass
As leader of the opposition I'm amazed and irritated in equal measure that he hasn't!!!

I am not interested in Keir Starmer's children. He is entitled to a private life, and so are they.

What I am interested is what Starmer says and does in his public role, such as when he claims to have discussions with Rosie Duffield even though Duffield seems to have no recollection of them.

'His' experiences.

He’s already on thin ice with the Palestinian-supporting and hard left of his electorate, he’d rather stay enslaved to the young, liberal, trans-supporting section of his electorate, than women.

He also keeps trying to shut women up by repeatedly shutting down any discussion by describing it as ‘toxic’.

He’s now at odds with his shadow health secretary, wish someone on tv would call him out on this.

I never claimed they were changing sex. They were changing gender though surely, if they'd been brought up as girls until they were 12?

@OldManLogan no no no they were incorrectly registered as females, and when reaching puberty claimed their correct sex and gender. People need to stop wheeling out DSD they are not trans or intersex. They have a sex. And are nothing to do with the world of gender ID.

I'm not convinced they were changing gender though as according to the news item they sought out other boys to play with and I mother said she could see her child was a boy. Also, as it's a known genetic mutation in a very small region I would imagine the population are aware of it as well. They clearly didn't seem to be socialised as girls apart from their clothes and tbh prepubescent clothes can be very unisex.

Apart from the inconvenience of demonstrating some level of separation between sex and gender.

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Mate, the women on here are streets ahead of you. These hashed up 'arguments' you present are old news and also demonstrable bullshit.

How do you know they are women if you can't see their chromosomes?

How do you know they are women if you can't see their chromosomes?

Bingo!

@OldManLogan

1 Sex is your biological state of being gender is societal requirements of the sex in question. So there is no inconvenience for most people who do not sign up to “gender ideology”

2 you can tell a male from a female lots of ways, including gaite, size of hands, Adam’s apple, build, brow thickness, facial hair, to name but a few indicators. I have a strong sense of smell and mean smell like men.

If we cannot see them one can usually tell by the way they speak, you know, know it all mansplaining sort of thing.

😂😂 Good one!

The scary thing is that some fucking idiots ask this question in all seriousness as some sort of gotcha!

Have we had 'the toilet is your house is gender neutral yet'? That's always a good one. I'm also still hoping for a resurgence of 'what about clownfish'.

This is why I’ll never vote Labour. If it’s leader can’t even give a dictionary definition what chance does he have in any area of government. We need someone who will stand up for what they believe not someone squirming around.

Anyone who comes to my door will be asked to define a woman - anything other than “adult female human” will result in losing my potential vote. They do not have my interests at heart. They support misogyny

Yes me too.

Apart from the inconvenience of demonstrating some level of separation between sex and gender.

Which everyone knows about. Of course they’re separate. They are entirely different things.

😂😂

It is interesting how you can see a male. My OH and I started watching ‘Loot’ (I don’t know if we’ll continue as seems to be a bit boring atm). Anyways, there is a character (Y) who plays the part of a woman who runs a charitable foundation. I was looking at Y, and said to my OH ‘I think that’s a man’. My OH at first said ‘no way’. Then, a little later said I might be right. ???

I looked up the actor and it is. Well, the actor is down as someone who identified as a transwoman. The main things like Adam’s apple weren’t there or pronounced. But I know that men can get them shaved. Other cosmetic alterations too. There can be give away mannerisms, even if they have gone to a lot of effort to get the cosmetic appearance right.

No sorry.

Starmer has been frighteningly pro trans, often resembling a TRA eg. in his treatment of people in his own party who have stated their actual understanding of biological reality. Etc.

He’s telling 51% of his electorate that some women have penises. And yes I understand why he feels safe legally saying this - because fck me men can actually legally call themselves a woman. What a terrible time.

And many potential Labour voters are utterly puzzled / dumbfounded / fcked off that he hasn’t supported women’s and children’s rights. Even the NHS is declaring that biological sex exists now 🙄).

And so if it turns out that his child is trans then yes we can say that that has influenced his actions and statements. As it would any parent. However he’s not just any parent - he’s the soon to be PM and it would’ve directly influenced him at the expense of women and children in electorate.

Shocking news this week

I'll judge Starmer by what he does and says in his public role. Lord knows, there's enough material.

NHS consultation if people wish to tell them we want to keep single biological sex spaces

https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/en/660d21db9ecc4223dd0174bf

It is a genuinely shocking thing that in 2024 the NHS has to be bullied and cajoled in to admitting biological reality. Crazy times.