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Sir Kier Starmer on GMB now being asked what his stance on trans gender is

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SpringLobelia · 30/04/2024 08:27

He said he apologises to people eating their breakfast'. Hmm

He is being questioned about his treatment of Rosie Duffield but he's not answered really and moved the convo swiftly to Brianna Ghey

Susannah said you told the MP Rosie Duffield that she is wrong to say only women have a cervix and he is again deflecting.

Says he believes in safe spaces for women.

Women's prisons? - deflects again to the NHS today. no answer to any direct questions.

Says again about safe spaces being important- but again deflecting and whittering about the constituion

SR asking for clarity- is it right or wrong for RD to say only women have a cervix - KS- she is biologically right. SR- should you apologise to her?
KS- deflects. Wants discussion. Not answering the question.

I'm giving up now. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. Keeps deflecting.

IMO of course.

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Snowypeaks · 01/05/2024 08:13

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:00

Labour never backed 14 years of austerity at all, Miliband didn't neither did Corbyn, they voted against Tory spending cuts time and time again.

GRA was a Labour thing, backed by the Tories at the time & the Tories have no plans to change, they think it strikes the right balance.

"Asleep at the wheel" The tories actively went about slashing social services spending, DV refuges, introduced the 2 child benefit cap, introduced the rooms tax, tapered off child benefit, failed to fund the NHS so we had enough staff and beds for single sex wards.
Under their watch, the numbers of women murdered by men in a domestic setting is going UP.

Children in poverty UP.

Do you want more of this? thats the choice at the next GE.

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Deflect, deflect. You originally claimed that genderwoo was the fault of the Tories. Labour are equally if not more to blame.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/05/2024 08:17

Snowypeaks · 01/05/2024 07:52

In addition to what Nowordforfluffy has posted, why are you deflecting to Tory cuts in public services?
Because you know very well that Labour did not oppose genderwoo and the concomitant harms to women and children - they cheered it on.

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I'm also pretty sure that Labour don't entirely oppose austerity measures too.

They also wanted a longer, more far-reaching, lockdown, which led to financial issues in its own right.

But we're not talking about government spending, we're discussing women's sex-based rights. I'm a bit baffled why spending is coming into it.

Keir Starmer will continue austerity. That means keeping vulnerable people in 'brutalising poverty'

Beyond each Labour u-turn is a well of human suffering and poverty that has no justifiable reason to exist.

https://www.bigissue.com/opinion/keir-starmer-austerity-u-turn-labour-poverty-suffering/

NoWordForFluffy · 01/05/2024 08:18

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:00

Labour never backed 14 years of austerity at all, Miliband didn't neither did Corbyn, they voted against Tory spending cuts time and time again.

GRA was a Labour thing, backed by the Tories at the time & the Tories have no plans to change, they think it strikes the right balance.

"Asleep at the wheel" The tories actively went about slashing social services spending, DV refuges, introduced the 2 child benefit cap, introduced the rooms tax, tapered off child benefit, failed to fund the NHS so we had enough staff and beds for single sex wards.
Under their watch, the numbers of women murdered by men in a domestic setting is going UP.

Children in poverty UP.

Do you want more of this? thats the choice at the next GE.

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Is this the lazy left accusation that anyone concerned about women's sex-based rights is dying to vote Tory? It's really (x 100) boring to keep suggesting that now. 🙄

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:19

Snowypeaks · 01/05/2024 08:13

Deflect, deflect. You originally claimed that genderwoo was the fault of the Tories. Labour are equally if not more to blame.

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Bizzare that you think the party with no power is more to blame after 14 years in opposition, than the actual Govt of the day.

Deflection? no, i am pointing out that despite their warm words on "We know what a woman is", their track record is exactly the opposite, they despise women.

The Tories have had 14 years to change the GRA & EQ act but have not and have no plans to do so.

You cannot escape this by blaming Labour.

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 08:20

Polishedshoesalways · 01/05/2024 05:38

No, he doesn’t perform well - he performs like a programmed robot - he is the least charismatic person ever to grace the political stage, with the gravitas of Mr Bean - I can’t imagine him on the world stage being taken seriously in his cheap waxy suits lisping about woke nonsense.

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I’m no fan of Starmer, but hyperbolic nonsense like this makes me somewhat more sympathetic to him. He has improved greatly at PMQs and now performs well. If it weren’t for his stance on gender, I’d be fairly impressed.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/05/2024 08:25

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 08:20

I’m no fan of Starmer, but hyperbolic nonsense like this makes me somewhat more sympathetic to him. He has improved greatly at PMQs and now performs well. If it weren’t for his stance on gender, I’d be fairly impressed.

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Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

I really don't think he performs well (particularly considering his previous career). That's my subjective opinion though.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 08:29

NoWordForFluffy · 01/05/2024 08:25

Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

I really don't think he performs well (particularly considering his previous career). That's my subjective opinion though.

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I think he’s ok as opposition in PMQ, but it’s an easy gig atm

Where he really struggles in interviews, especially TV, he is unclear, nervous, and very bad at leading on views

He gets stuck and messes up

YukNo · 01/05/2024 08:37

Cailleach1 · 30/04/2024 19:45

It is interesting how you can see a male. My OH and I started watching ‘Loot’ (I don’t know if we’ll continue as seems to be a bit boring atm). Anyways, there is a character (Y) who plays the part of a woman who runs a charitable foundation. I was looking at Y, and said to my OH ‘I think that’s a man’. My OH at first said ‘no way’. Then, a little later said I might be right. ???

I looked up the actor and it is. Well, the actor is down as someone who identified as a transwoman. The main things like Adam’s apple weren’t there or pronounced. But I know that men can get them shaved. Other cosmetic alterations too. There can be give away mannerisms, even if they have gone to a lot of effort to get the cosmetic appearance right.

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Like the young man who played Donna’s son in the latest Dr Who. Clockable within under a second as male.

INeedAPensieve · 01/05/2024 08:55

FannyCann · 01/05/2024 08:08

I've come to the conclusion that the whole reason for this idiocy is distraction.
Incompetent politicians with milk puddings where their brains ought to be are incapable of tackling the many very serious issues facing the world today. So having us all wasting our time arguing about biology and the definition of a woman means they don't have to hurt their tiny brains trying to think about the big stuff.

It was something Sal Grover said on one of her interviews. - how she (and other women) would much rather be doing things like tackling the lack of education for girls in Afghanistan etc but we have to waste our time, energy and money fight court cases with the Roxy Tickle's of the world to prove that women don't have penises.

Keir can whine about the toxic debate and whether it is right to say only women have a cervix but isn't that easier than coming up with a viable plan for peace in the Middle East?

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I'm quoting your whole post as it is worth repeating again and again.

This, 1000 times. I feel like this "oh we can't be arsed to come up with solutions to actual world problems or economic issues" started in the early noughties and particularly after the financial crash. The banks etc were under huge pressure to make a change for the better and to make a positive impact across the whole world in terms of tackling poverty, world hunger etc.

However that wasn't going to be easy, and it was going to cost money, a lot of money. So they started focusing on EDI policies and virtue signalling during certain months of the year to show they "cared" but continuing to trade in the countries where women and men were being killed for their sex or for being same sex attracted. Of course, I'm not disputing that some policies were (and are) worthwhile, but as a whole it was easier to start feeding into a Western culture war and turn people against each other than actually work towards helping those who needed it most.

I agree with Sali Grover, it's so stupid having to fight to defend scientific, biological reality which is stopping us fighting real sexism and homophobia.

Cailleach1 · 01/05/2024 09:27

Yes, @INeedAPensieve . Although painful how little f!cks they give for the detrimental consequences this ideological movement has for women and children, I think that many are pushing this ideology because
(a) It is easy for them to do so, and
(b) It makes the people they think are important people ‘happy’ i.e. men

The only blot on this self serving landscape is women insisting that we (along with children) are human too, and our human rights are being ridden roughshod over. Indeed, how it is abusive to women, and children. The people and organisations (who chose the path of virtue signalling, empty rhetoric and flag waving) get so angry because if only they could shut women up, they could return to their ‘Truman Show’ version of how big they are big on this pretend version of ‘rights’.

They didn’t have to do a job, or support and promote such a job, on women and children like this. Yet, many seem to have done so willingly. Happily.

INeedAPensieve · 01/05/2024 09:52

Yep, @Cailleach1 it's so depressing, and it doesn't need to be this way at all.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 10:21

I think it's larger than that. I think it's part of a huge underlying shift from collective, socially-embedded understandings towards an ever increasing individualism.

The tension between managing to live in an increasingly disparate, fragmented, diverse society while balancing one's own individual needs/beliefs/truths with those of others that may compete. I suppose bluntly it's competing for finite resources, which probably reflects planetary issues overall.

Globalism, basically. In the context of the internet, which collapses so many hierarchies, removes many boundaries, and shifts and changes and affects so many social interactions. Which will have posiitve and negative effects.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2024 10:22

Post modernism has a lot to answer for, too. Both good and bad.

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 10:23

Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

Well, yes, but saying he has the gravitas of Mr Bean is pushing it.

My opinion is that he has improved (I think he actually learned a lot when opposite BJ). He doesn’t have much personality, his voice is grating and his delivery can be stilted, but he makes his points efficiently, often with humour.
He doesn’t make me want to vote Labour, but I would if they lost the gender ideology.

BlackeyedSusan · 01/05/2024 11:11

NoWordForFluffy · 30/04/2024 08:46

He seems to use it as his fall back position. It's disgusting.

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Absolutely. Agree with milk pudding.

What a flip flop. He just tells people what he thinks they want to hear.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/05/2024 11:42

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 10:23

Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

Well, yes, but saying he has the gravitas of Mr Bean is pushing it.

My opinion is that he has improved (I think he actually learned a lot when opposite BJ). He doesn’t have much personality, his voice is grating and his delivery can be stilted, but he makes his points efficiently, often with humour.
He doesn’t make me want to vote Labour, but I would if they lost the gender ideology.

I agree with this. KS isn't an inspiring leader, but you don't need to be if you have a competent team behind you and good, solid, realistic policy. Sadly he doesn't have that though and because Labour has also been swamped with identity politics he's very unappealing as PM.

duc748 · 01/05/2024 12:22

Keir can whine about the toxic debate and whether it is right to say only women have a cervix but isn't that easier than coming up with a viable plan for peace in the Middle East?

I'd kinda argue the other way round. Labour activists (and not just Labour) get so excited about the Gaza war, etc, so that they can polish their right-on halos, whereas, in the real world, what influence is Future PM Keir Starmer going to have over the direction of that war? The square root of fuck all. However, on something like addressing the Labour Party's witless attachment to the gender industry, protecting women's rights, and getting the rainbows out of our schools, he could make a real difference to people's lives. Unfortunately, he shows no appetite for this whatsoever.

MississippiAF · 01/05/2024 12:51

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 10:23

Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

Well, yes, but saying he has the gravitas of Mr Bean is pushing it.

My opinion is that he has improved (I think he actually learned a lot when opposite BJ). He doesn’t have much personality, his voice is grating and his delivery can be stilted, but he makes his points efficiently, often with humour.
He doesn’t make me want to vote Labour, but I would if they lost the gender ideology.

I’ve never seen even a smidge of humour from him.

He is pained and stilted, yes

Snowypeaks · 01/05/2024 13:16

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 08:19

Bizzare that you think the party with no power is more to blame after 14 years in opposition, than the actual Govt of the day.

Deflection? no, i am pointing out that despite their warm words on "We know what a woman is", their track record is exactly the opposite, they despise women.

The Tories have had 14 years to change the GRA & EQ act but have not and have no plans to do so.

You cannot escape this by blaming Labour.

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You cannot escape Labour's equal or greater culpability for the rampant spread of genderwoo by deflecting to the running down of public services, which Labour will not reverse.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/05/2024 13:17

Barbadossunset · 01/05/2024 13:05

Good for Joan Smith in calling out Starmer's cowardice over this. Rosie isn't the only woman who's been intimidated and bullied in the Labour party. Starmer's refusal to condemn - or just to meet women about this if it's too difficult for him to stand up to the bullies - tells us everything we need to know about his real commitment to women's rights and child safeguarding.

SinnerBoy · 01/05/2024 13:28

BloodyHellKenAgain · Today 11:42

KS isn't an inspiring leader, but you don't need to be if you have a competent team behind you and good, solid, realistic policy.

I can think of an appropriate adjective for his style, which also begins "ins."

Insipid.

theDudesmummy · 01/05/2024 13:31

He is an absolute junket.

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 13:32

NoWordForFluffy · 01/05/2024 08:18

Is this the lazy left accusation that anyone concerned about women's sex-based rights is dying to vote Tory? It's really (x 100) boring to keep suggesting that now. 🙄

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It’s really all they have 🙄

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 13:46

borntobequiet · 01/05/2024 10:23

Isn't opinion of his performance somewhat subjective though?

Well, yes, but saying he has the gravitas of Mr Bean is pushing it.

My opinion is that he has improved (I think he actually learned a lot when opposite BJ). He doesn’t have much personality, his voice is grating and his delivery can be stilted, but he makes his points efficiently, often with humour.
He doesn’t make me want to vote Labour, but I would if they lost the gender ideology.

He might have improved but would you want him on the world stage? He comes across as an incompetent buffoon who can’t think on his feet. Unlike Boris, it’s less of a wily “I’m so thick” act and more of an unfortunate reality. His pained look when pressed for answers reminds me of the snake in Disney’s Robin Hood, saying “oh my ssssssssacriliac”

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