If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

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Obviously not. They're men. But how can transwomen insist on being women and then recategorise women as cis women without it exposing their whole position as fundamentally flawed?

Cis and Trans are useful ways of communicating details about the many different groups of people who are all women

But they aren’t are they?

Trans could mean man or woman.

Woman means well woman.

Just like ‘pain in the arse’ more like

Didn’t David Lammy (who is an expert in all parts of the female reproductive system) say a cervix is something you can ‘have’ after a few procedures etc.

I’d definitely trust him/her after he/she said that. On a par with ‘the moon is definitely made from Cranberry Stilton’. I don’t know if he/she had the few procedures done, and so is talking from his/her experience.

Didn’t David Lammy (who is an expert in all parts of the female reproductive system) say a cervix is something you can ‘have’ after a few procedures etc.

These men make it so obvious that the only thing they think when female reproductive anatomy is mentioned is "fuckhole".

I am worried about Labour and whether they will help or hinder women when they take power. Though I see Keir Starmer is now rolling back after Cass and has accepted men don't have cervixes.

I was super worried about the self ID thing on labour agenda. But i think they are all rowing back, and that it will be quietly ditched.

Reflecting on my own awareness, I was in the be kind camp when I got to this place although I believed in women’s only spaces. I had no idea about the level of infiltration, pride’ subversion, what was going on public bodies, or what stonewall was up to.

I do not like Starmer, but I will give all politicians the benefit of the doubt since i only woke up, 2 years ago why should any of them be any different, given what has been on the forefront of the political landscape from Brexit to covid to financial crash.

I don’t like party politics on this board, i am with Joyce and JKJ on this issue, being in this GC community matters to me i don’t care if my on line friends are left or right.

So fucking true. One of the multiple things that peaked me was a gender surgeon referring to a particular neo vagina as "fully functional".

Oh, so it self cleans, self lubricates, leads to a uterus, allows menstrual blood to pass from the body, contracts rhythmically at orgasm, expels a baby during childbirth, changes mucus in line with the menstrual cycle does it?

Nope, it's a fuckable hole. Fully fucking functional, amirite?

Yep. I've seen these men's surgically gouged parts referred to as "fuckholes to nowhere" on other sites and that seems the most accurate (and considering the horrors that so often follow these surgeries, even that seems a generous description).

And what's the odds most of the men who blithely refer to them as "fully functional" wouldn't dream of having sex with trans women, because they, the men saying it, do in fact know perfectly well the difference between men and women, and are only attracted to the latter, but are delighted to join in with the movement to silence women and strip us of our rights?

Indeed. Fully functional because the only functions which matter are those which serve men, including the deranged men who think they want to be women.

Grammatical correction- that matter

But trans are a minority, and minority means small, and quantum mechanics is SCIENCE so trans must be science.

<spinny skirt mic drop>

Or 'men' and 'women'.

That's all we need.

Am I imagining it or is critical posting more frequent since Cass report publication. Seems increased confidence criticising the TWAW cult since NHS and others dropped virtue signalling 'Diversity Champions' scheme. At last!! Hope Stonewall goes down with the Tavistock & Mermaids now.

Transwomen describes men that either really wish they were women, find it a convenient way to access and abuse women, avoid getting put in a male prison or get off on playing dress up.

Cis women are women who believe that everyone has a special feeling in their head that determines if you are a man or woman and that is more important than biology.

Those 2 terms describe a small percentage of the population as the vast majority of women don't have special womanly feels, they just are women and are therefore should just be called women with no prefix required

I've stopped using that term altogether they are trans identifying men or TIMs to me and I've never used cis, it's just woman or women.
Stop using the terms they are compelling everyone to adopt. A man can't ever become woman, he will be a different kind of man, but will remain man his whole life.

Just watched Miriam last night about the Mexican TIM reality show

beyond me how the men did nor notice

He isn't a different type of man.

He is just a man.

if he's had the ops to cut his bits off then he is a different kind of man isn't he, still a man though. I do know that most of them aren't having the ops, they're just larping.

Good to see TIM here, I've never known if it was one of the words MNHQ frown on.

I think we ultimately do perceive sex but day to day the cultural cues act like a shortcut. So the first few times you see a man performing whatever your culture codes as female you tend to read them as female at first but over time you pick up on the underlying male.

That's on the individual level. At the societal level, if lots of men start performing female coded presntation we get used to seeing those cues on men so they no longer read as strongly female coded. So someone who might have generally been read as female or as "confusing" by the audience the time might be more clearly read as male by an audience now.

That question made me think of my first year at university, studying Philosophy. I wonder how the students on that course would cope with that sort of question now.

Oh good. I did get told off by another poster 😂 so I wanted to be sure 👍🏼

I wouldn't mind betting that they've been a good deal shaken up by the findings in the Cass Report.

It's already predictable that there'll be a slew of litigation against GIDS. The erosion of women's privacy and dignity, the fact that there's already been one rape case we know of when the victim was gaslight and told there were no men on her ward, the risk of further harm to women when basic safeguarding would likely have prevented it.

This sudden switch in language and attitudes indicates an institution that is worried.

Good. Pity it took so long.

Something like 85% of these men don't have bits chopped off.

Even if they did, they are still men. Just men without penises. Hence 'The Eunach Chapter' from WPATH.

It definitely is one of the terms banned on here.