If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

[Superlambaanana]

Obviously not. They're men. But how can transwomen insist on being women and then recategorise women as cis women without it exposing their whole position as fundamentally flawed?

They become cis women when their cervix grows in.

I think it takes about a year on hormone treatment. Ask India Willoughby. They know better than I.

Fed up with the air time these things are taking up.

The less we question the sooner they stop being the centre of attention and pipe down.

Cis is derived from the Latin “on the same side as”, Trans is derived from the Latin of “the opposite side of”

So if trans women are real women, whose sex was incorrectly assigned at birth, then once they have their sex correctly assigned they are linguistically speaking CIS.

good point.

Why are you asking for rationality, consistency or coherency from an irrational, inconsistent, incoherent ideology?

You're making it look baaaad!

Of course its utter cobblers

There's no such thing as cis women

You're thinking too logically here. First rule of trans club; think illogical thoughts all day long!

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Look i don't disagree. But I also can't turn away from this now. It's too important.

Or maybe biological women then become the transwomen!

@Superlambaanana or since natal women do not describe themselves as CIS, then the obvious conclusion is that, the only women who are CIS are women who used to be men.

So how it can so easily be tipped on its own head.

Could it be something to do with quantum physics? Maybe the uncertainty principle thing?

What I’ve always wanted to know is if my inner gender identity is a transwoman but I’m actually a biological woman, does that make a transwoman a cis transwoman and me a trans transwoman who is therefore even more oppressed that the cis transwoman on account of not having my authentic self not immediately obvious to the wider world?

As far as these men are concerned "cis woman" means "sub woman", the inferior form.

Congratulations on beating the final boss of satire.

Cis and Trans are useful ways of communicating details about the many different groups of people who are all women, just like 'tall' and 'short' and 'black' and 'white', but you already know that.

Interesting, isn't it? "Transwomen are women" because they say they are, and the right to determine and assert one's own identity is important. But the rejection of "cis" as a descriptor by large numbers of natal females is ignored by people who continue to use it and supply a bs definition when objections are raised. So the right to determine and assert one's own identity is important, unless it isn't? How very Orwellian.

There was an uproar a few years ago about a Labour councillor in Lewisham who came out as circumgender: a trans woman trapped in an AFAB body. In other words, she was "assigned female at birth", which was correct, but she identified as a man who identified as a woman.

Circumgender women are the most oppressed minority because they are women, you're allowed to call them women, and they're trans.

Here's an old thread about it: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3791265-Labour-Lewisham-councillor-accused-of-making-foul-and-abusive-posts-relating-to-transgender-issues

Cisgender, like all the other genders, is something you can freely identify into, as much or as little as you want. You can change your mind on a day to day basis.
Annoying Gender People might try to tell you that you are cisgender, but clearly that's wrong.
Your gender is your business, you get to decide that, not some self-appointed Authority of Gender Policing.

The whole concept of ‘trans’ relies on fixed gender identities so is actually by its own definition ‘cis’ because it adopts gender stereotypes. So this is exactly why they invented ‘no debate’ because as soon as you pull on a logical thread like this, the whole thing unravels completely.

No.

It really is not like that.

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Here we go - so a transwoman is a subset of woman just like a black woman is? I mean, that’s pretty racist isn’t it?
A person who decides they’re trans hasn’t actually changed into a different person. They’ve just added an incorrect descriptor to their noun.

Exactly.

Words dscribe reality, they don't create reality, any more than me calling a tree a wood man makes it a man. Each component needs to be independently verifiable.

With black woman we can independently and objectively verify that such a person is black, and is a woman.

But for sea horse? Hmm, it lives in the sea, but wait... it's not a horse... hmm.

For trans women, the words have no more descriptive power to manifest someone as a woman than that.

Let's also take the noun + adjective modifier further: trans woman doesn't mean real woman any more than ersatz woman means real woman. Any more than an ersatz Picasso is a type of Picasso.

Trans women are ersatz women!

You can't surely believe what you are saying here? So in your warped explanation a short woman or a black woman is just a different type of woman as is a cis woman? No this is ridiculous. No cis prefix is necessary

Women, tall, short, black, white etc etc are women full stop. Trans women are men/Males who have chosen to identify as women.

Men are not women. Never will be.

Women do not need another descriptor.