Male friend on FB (a doctor no less), telling me that trans women are real women.

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I shared a meme on FB, about not supporting trans women in female sports.

A male friend of mine, who is a GP, commented that trans women are real women 🙄 I replied that trans women are men, and that my gripe was men in women’s sports, and men (rapists like Karen White), being housed in female prisons.

He then said that he knew lots of trans men, who just wanted to live a peaceful life, and I’m thinking well yes, because they are actually biologically female!

He then went on to quote all manner of statistics about violence from men against trans women and how trans women are at more risk of violence than cis women (I hate that term). and how cis women are more likely to be attacked by cis men than trans women.

It’s been annoying me all day. Here is another male telling me what to think, but also, whether the violence comes from normal men against trans women (who are men), or trans women against real women, this is essentially a male violence problem.

Because, we as women, aren’t the perpetrators in any of this. So men, stay in your own lane and sort out all your shit. You don’t get to throw the men you don’t like into our lane (bathrooms and prisons), and make us your collateral damage.

If a fox said that it felt like it was a chicken, you wouldn’t let it sleep in the chicken coup, just in case it was lying.

I may not have articulated this in the best way!

What 'kill all terfs'?

I hear there was a bloke being sentenced for his abuse and harassment of Rosie and Joanne the other day.

But it's not "less black and white than that".

A male person's feeling, however genuinely held, that they identify as female, has absolutely nothing to do with me or any other female users of a female only space.

But apparently we are supposed to be comfortable with any man - including any sex offender, for the avoidance of doubt - having full access to female only spaces, because of the existence of a small number of male people who feel that they identify as female and will be very sad if they are made to use male only spaces with other male people.

Now now @MissScarletInTheBallroom there's no sadness like men not being allowed to do whatever they want! So much sad!

Yes, absolutely. I always find it weird when people posit the view that doctors are better at making ethical or moral decisions than anyone else. It's a weird viewpoint as they can be rapists, murderers, drug addicts, abusers etc just like anyone in the general population.

Absolutely agree with medicine being full of misogyny (like law and politics) but more dangerous in a way than coming from other quarters as it's not perpetrated by knuckle draggers so can sound almost reasonable coming from someone who puts their case so well.

What a ride this thread is!

So, has anyone posted exactly how male people change sex so that they are no longer male people for the sake of assessing safe guarding risk?

Has anyone posted the studies that show that any male person, in any stage of transition, has a lower risk of committing a sex crime or a violent crime than any other male person in the UK? Yes? No?

If not, has anyone posted just how many female people of any age that they, personally, will accept being harmed before any person who can see the issues will be allowed to discuss it and to campaign for more robust safeguarding for all female people and for children in general? I might have missed this posts.

Because all I seem to have seen is :

real transwomen don't have penises (and then when that was pointed out to be horrifically transphobic, then came 'what does it matter'!)

bad male people are going to attack you anyway, why make life harder for a sub group of male people by denying them access to the female single sex spaces.

a group of male people are most definitely at risk of being attacked in male single sex spaces if they use them. FACT!

not all transwomen are predators / dangerous.

It seems to be the day for all the tired old trope that many of us have addressed endlessly that seems to be based on these male people miraculously becoming something other than male people. Yet, one poster admits that they cannot define it, but since so many of them repeat a similar thought terminating line 'born in the wrong body', well they must be believed.

What on earth is hanging in front of their balls then? A 6 inch clit??? Very few of them chop it off and even those that do are now penisless men. Plus, there have been several transwomen on here who admit it's ALL about the clothing. And the hair.

The existence of gender identities is purely a philosophical belief, now that it has been removed from the mental illness diagnosis. Having a gender identity is not based in material reality and it cannot even be defined in a non-circular definition that remains consistent and provable. Plus the existence of over 100 different gender identities also have now shown that it is philosophical belief.

What other philosophical belief do we force compliance of society to affirm as being material reality?

While some posters clearly will affirm a philosophical belief for someone, those who choose not to are not hateful. They are not phobic.

In this instance, people are discussing where the needs of one group, female people, are being deprioritised for the demands of another group which is a sub-group of male people on a feminist board. It is really not that hard to understand that removal of female people to define themselves in law to protect the sex based rights that they have, including single sex spaces and sport, is something that all female people should be allowed to discuss if they wish to without be censured for their waste of time, their lack of education (in the face of no evidence presented to support claims that are quite easy to disprove) or their lack of kindness to people that some others feel should be centred above female people.

It's all so predictable. Although I think we have a good case to add FACT to the sheet.

Translation: accept men in your spaces, women. Shut up, do as you’re told. Deny all evidence of male violence, push aside fear and discomfort.

“Reframe your trauma”

@fungipie you say that "transwomen" do not have a penis, so can you clarify that are you saying that your position is that "transwomen" who still have a penis are not actually "transwomen"? That is not the position most TRAs take at all, so that is a bold view. It is along the lines of saying that there are real "transwomen" and faux "transwomen", which I believe is frowned on in TRA circles. Is that what you are saying?

What are your views on what terminology should we then use for the vast majority of people referring to themselves as "transwomen" who do have a penis? Do we get a new word for them?

Amazing 😂 Maybe add "aligning with nazis/right wingers"

@fungipie lasydick is still a penis, however it identifies 😂

How do you "be mentally a woman"? Being a woman is not a mental matter, it is a physical one.

It just goes to show that many people still think this about transwomen, that they have all had "re-assignment" surgery, whatever the actual fuck that is.

There is so much dis-information about what is actually going on in this ideology.

Cock or no cock - still a bloke.

Going back to the OP, it's pretty clear that this male GP would not try the same arguments if he was debating with Prof Winston, or Dawkins.

Oh, @User1979289 is @fungipie saying that a penis can be not a penis? OK....but "ladydick" is not a term doctors are going to want to use in their clinical records, so what shall we call a non-penis penis in an anatomical/medical context?

Ah, but they're the WRONG doctors - only the TWAW spouters are the correct doctors.
Or some such pish.

you truly have not got a clue, and what is it to you? I know several transwomen who have gone through the whole transition- and the reason they did is because they feel mentally and emotionally like women.

I don't understand it. But who I am to not allow them their choice, and to force them into great risk of verbal, mental and even physical violence if they have to attend men only toilets.

Brilliant!
And so obvious.

Some of us spent our youth trying to get the message across that female brains did not materially differ from male brains. That meant that we did not need to be excluded from the "clever " jobs, because of our "female brains".

I think you will find that many of us have indeed educated ourselves, how condescending of you to think otherwise.

A male person can never 'be mentally a woman'.

They can only ever be their own belief of what it feels like to be a 'woman'. They can only ever react to life's experiences as a male who believes they are a woman, never as a female person. It is only be the forced redefining of the word 'woman' that has even allowed this scenario to have been proposed. But it was never based on truth.

The only commonality that any female person has is their reactions dealing with navigating life and society while have a body that has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether those gametes have been, will be or are being produced. There is no one way to be a female person. However, navigating the world with a male body that may or may not have had extreme body modifications is never a 'woman' experience.

If you have formed some kind of belief that some male people have mentally become a female person, then your education that you claim to have really seems to not be based in material reality . Is it based in post modernist theory?

and you think it is funny ahahaha. And talk about mental health issues?

Oh FFS @fungipie , can your hear yourself? How can men know that they feel "mentally and emotionally like women"? They can't. Don't be ridiculous. Woman is not a definition of anything to do with anything "mental or emotional"

What do you think my fellow men are going to do to them? If men in women’s spaces aren’t a problem, why are men in men’s spaces vulnerable? It’s up to men to treat transwomen with reasonable respect, which means not beating them up and not hurling insults at them.