Hilary Cass Interview in the Times

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Depressing that she doesn't feel safe in public anymore:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3121a27a-fd54-46d9-894a-f715de429675?shareToken=323bde6f9666d56951b1eb073ded85b1

@RedToothBrush that's why I'm linking it to several places at the moment

Absolutely.

This is wing nut territory.

The idea that a left wing politician is taking seriously and on the same platform as someone who is saying that British kids are soft cos there are child soldiers in other countries and THEN bleats on about human rights is off the scale batshittery.

The fact other left wing politicians don't see a problem with this but then have meltdowns over freedom of speech because it's 'right wing' or 'fascist' tells you everything you need to know.

This is what extremists look like you utter bellends.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.

Particularly chilling.

Note also that transgender trend's guidance, which is essentially the same as Cass, was described as "sickening" by an educational academic (who has now transitioned and moved out of education.) and who was then the PhD supervisor to the parent of a trans child who's since written a "paper" tearing Cass apart and describing it as ""cis supremacy.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2024.2328249

I'm not going to make this TAAT, but people on the left should be calling the attendance of their MPs at this type of conference out as much as they do when Tory MPs attend right wing conferences. Surely?

Yes, but #no debate and look what Rosie experienced.

They had it all tied up.

They had it all tied up thanks to steroid of stonewall too.

For someone with a finger in so many pies Riley’s wiki page is remarkably lacking in information, almost as though someone edits it very efficiently.

When you consider how long and hard Professor Cass must have worked to achieve her qualifications and experience, how brave she was to take on this review, it really is disgusting that she is suffering this abuse from people who don't have a fraction of her intelligence, diligence and ethics.

Thank you for this. Very glad this was addressed

This is good from the BBC.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/more-or-less-behind-the-stats/id267300884?i=1000652995863

Susan Bewley is a retired ob/gyn. She'd be a good choice to head up an assessment of the adult clinics but as she spoke at CAN-SG, I should think her appointment would be opposed. Likewise anyone else who spoke at that event. Conversely, I suppose no-one like Harrop (reaching for an ideology over other considerations) would be a plausible appointment.

Simon Wesseley has a lot of appointments already and chairs the CYP gender dysphoria Research Oversight Board.

Ben Goldacre would be an interesting choice. High profile in data, evidence-based medicine, and background is psychiatry. I doubt he'd accept.

It's not a thread about a thread.

This is a thread about trans extremists and the treatment of Hilary Cass and how no one has made a point of identifying extremism as a problem and how EVEN NOW the Times is saying 'both sides', despite the lack of evidence for gender critical extremism.

Gender criticism on this site has been a reaction and defence to tanks on the lawn of women and children's rights in the face of organised extremism.

There is evidence of this extremism.

That other thread details extremism in 2018.

Women wanted evidence based decision making and evidence based health for children and were vilified for it and smeared as extremists. When evidence supporting their fears emerges, the tactic is to smear the respected specialist following respected practices and ethics. To the point that she's living in fear.

And yet we still are not seeing this through the lens of extremism.

Theres a whole thread elsewhere started yesterday which was intentional on suggesting that radical feminists have become more extreme.

The reason for this, is simple and easy.

Trans activists know where the narrative is headed next because people are starting to wake up and notice. The narrative IS going to start to identify transcels and trans extremists. Because it's not subtle and theres a bunch of the worst who will spiral cos male pattern behaviour.

So they are trying to get in now to muddy the waters and smear radical feminism on MN or because it 'legitimises' violence against women.

Cos this is what extremists do. They are preparing for a fight and this is propaganda in preparation for that.

It's a cult. It's extremism. And these groups are at their most dangerous at the point when the Facade starts to collapse.

Women are holding the defensive line and they don't like it. I don't think we've won a battle yet. I just think we've defeated a major offensive.

It is MASSIVELY important we highlight the receipts here and where the tanks are parked.

It's not women who have started a 'culture war'. This is an attack on the rights and protections of women and children and always has been. It's been organised and orchestrated deliberately. We have not gone on an offensive to destroy or erase anyone.

This is a men's rights movement. It has no regards for human rights. The only humans that matter to it, are the rights of older males.

That's powerful stuff, there red. Crikey. Thank you.

I have noticed more effort from some in undermining posters on FWR

In fact it’s mostly what they post about

It doesn’t help women but attempts to delegitimise. I don’t think it’s working though

Disgraceful behaviour from the TRAs. I hope an MP raises this in Parliament and MPs are asked about it on the politics programmes tomorrow.

I don't think it's working either.

I think lots of us have noticed Eastern. As the wheels come off, there's more and more smearing and undermining. I've even noticed in the last few days a few unhinged attempts to reframe safeguarding children as right wing bigotry.

Yes I have to avoid some of it now as it’s so unhinged

Yes - insightful and so powerful.

Yes, nail on head RedToothBrush

And that's one example that someone here happened to attend.

How many meetings and zooms between activists in power haven't been publicly accessible?

This was posted on Riley's twitter feed on April 14th.

A woman whose trans identified son was awaiting 'treatment' on a GIDS waiting list committed suicide. Certainly gives a flavour of the main issues that actvists have with the Cass Review.

In all of this the very concept of the 'trans child' is sacrosanct and never questioned at all.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/11/daughter-took-life-waiting-a-gender-clinic-appointment-20630415/?ito=article.mweb.share.floaty.twitter

Thanks for the link.

They are certainly ramping up the personal attacks and hyperbole. Why do they have to go so low, it comes across as so nasty and vindictive. Where is the actual care for the children at risk here? Have they actually forgotten that's what the report was about or is still all me, me, me?

Also from Riley's 'Diva' Magazine....an assessment of the Cass Review in

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/04/10/the-cass-review/

No, it's having the opposite effect.

They feel threatened and can only lash out

That's surely defamation.

Claiming young children will die because of Cass?