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WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:01

A reminder that Dawn attended and spoke at the were still here conference alongside mermaids, various gender clinic staff and Jane Fae amongst others who won a "sexual freedom award" in 2010. Where they all discussed social and medical transition of children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SexualFreedomm_Awards

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:02

We're

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:05

More on Jane here:

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/11/11/jane-fae-trans-britain-part-13/

In his previous name “John Omizek” he was a defender of extreme porn and has published on this topic in the Guardian, Index on Censorship, Liberty etc.

You can read Fae on porn in this article. This article was originally published as John Omizek.

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The article defends extreme pornography, dismisses feminist’s who expose the harm of this material, uses the language of the “coven” to describe those “witches” who oppose pornography and even appears to question the idea that men, who possess violent pornography, might be unsuitable for some forms of employment.

WallaceinAnderland · 20/04/2024 09:25

The whole world is looking on. The whole world is reviewing the Cass report. The whole world is watching exactly what we have been describing playing out in real time - a professional woman scared to do her job, to speak the truth and to protect children. It has to stop.

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:25

I don't want to derail but I am absolutely fuming that an MP has been listening to the likes of a campaigner for extreme porn over the careful analysis of an experienced paediatrician when it comes to the care of vulnerable children.

BettyFilous · 20/04/2024 09:32

menopausalmare · 20/04/2024 08:44

A minor point but why does James Beale feel the need to put Hilary's age? I often see this when men write about women but not the other way round.

In some respects her age is relevant. Hilary Cass came out of retirement to do the GIDS report. It took 4 years. She said she’s not going to do the adult one. Given the sacrifice she’s already made and her age, she’s entirely reasonable to step back. We all owe her a huge debt of gratitude. She’s done more than enough. Even though she has absolute mastery of this brief and would be an obvious choice, I hope the experienced team around her will be retained to support the adult service review lead.

borntobequiet · 20/04/2024 09:36

At the moment, there is no image of the front page of the Times on the BBC website. The FT, Guardian and Telegraph are there, plus the tabloids.

This picture is the actual front page of the Times:

Hilary Cass Interview in the Times
FrancescaContini · 20/04/2024 09:52

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:01

A reminder that Dawn attended and spoke at the were still here conference alongside mermaids, various gender clinic staff and Jane Fae amongst others who won a "sexual freedom award" in 2010. Where they all discussed social and medical transition of children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SexualFreedomm_Awards

Dear God

FrancescaContini · 20/04/2024 09:55

WallaceinAnderland · 20/04/2024 09:25

The whole world is looking on. The whole world is reviewing the Cass report. The whole world is watching exactly what we have been describing playing out in real time - a professional woman scared to do her job, to speak the truth and to protect children. It has to stop.

Yes, exactly

PiningForTheMoon · 20/04/2024 09:58

I don't see how the Tavi were allowed to refuse and block.

If a report has been commissioned by the government, surely cooperation should be mandatory.

Datun · 20/04/2024 09:58

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:25

I don't want to derail but I am absolutely fuming that an MP has been listening to the likes of a campaigner for extreme porn over the careful analysis of an experienced paediatrician when it comes to the care of vulnerable children.

Same. Ozimek also campaigned to lower the legal age of the participants. He wanted them younger. How anyone could listen to this person god only knows.

Datun · 20/04/2024 10:03

“It started the day before the report came out when an influencer put up a picture of a list of papers that were apparently rejected for not being randomised control trials.

“That list has absolutely nothing to do with either our report or any of the papers.

Why can't this 'influencer' be arrested for defamation.

Their lies have led directly to a member of Parliament calling into question Hilary Cass's reputation.

I mean for fuck's sake. She can't get a fucking bus because she's in so much danger.

What is the use of MPs bleating on about 'hate' when they're complicit in this!!

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 10:06

Datun · 20/04/2024 10:03

“It started the day before the report came out when an influencer put up a picture of a list of papers that were apparently rejected for not being randomised control trials.

“That list has absolutely nothing to do with either our report or any of the papers.

Why can't this 'influencer' be arrested for defamation.

Their lies have led directly to a member of Parliament calling into question Hilary Cass's reputation.

I mean for fuck's sake. She can't get a fucking bus because she's in so much danger.

What is the use of MPs bleating on about 'hate' when they're complicit in this!!

Absolutely.

This level of disinformation is arguably bordering on inciting hatred and violence and encouraging harm of children.

Datun · 20/04/2024 10:11

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 10:06

Absolutely.

This level of disinformation is arguably bordering on inciting hatred and violence and encouraging harm of children.

If she's having to employe protection, it's definitely inciting hate.

But she's just a woman, right? It's completely legal.

borntobequiet · 20/04/2024 10:13

But she's just a woman, right?

And an older woman, so absolutely fair game.

NecessaryScene · 20/04/2024 10:13

Why can't this 'influencer' be arrested for defamation.

He's American.

This level of disinformation is arguably bordering on inciting hatred and violence

If it helps, he was called up for this in a US House of Representative committee:

'Did You Not Tweet That?': Nancy Mace Confronts Activist With Her Own Controversial Tweets

At today's House Oversight Committee hearing, Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) confronted Alejandra Caraballo with her tweets about the Supreme Court.Stay ConnectedFor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mB26uArS88

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 10:17

NecessaryScene · 20/04/2024 10:13

Why can't this 'influencer' be arrested for defamation.

He's American.

This level of disinformation is arguably bordering on inciting hatred and violence

If it helps, he was called up for this in a US House of Representative committee:

Can't we extradite him to Scotland?

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 10:18

Linking the thread for reference. It's worth reading the first few posts.

We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

NoWordForFluffy · 20/04/2024 10:19

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 09:01

A reminder that Dawn attended and spoke at the were still here conference alongside mermaids, various gender clinic staff and Jane Fae amongst others who won a "sexual freedom award" in 2010. Where they all discussed social and medical transition of children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SexualFreedomm_Awards

Thinking about this kind of thing.

I'm not going to make this TAAT, but people on the left should be calling the attendance of their MPs at this type of conference out as much as they do when Tory MPs attend right wing conferences. Surely?

RebelliousCow · 20/04/2024 10:26

Dawn Butler, and I'm imagine others - such as Kim Johnson - has reportedly received Around £50K from GLAAD ( trans charity). Also both of the above seem pretty friendly with Linda Riley and were photographed at this year's 'Diversity Awards', which Riley runs.

Came Across this blog earlier: https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2023/08/19/in-conversation-with-dawn-butler/

In conversation with Dawn Butler

Announced just four days prior to the event taking place, Dawn Butler, most famous for saying (in terf society at least) that babies are born without sex, was to be platformed by the British Politi…

https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2023/08/19/in-conversation-with-dawn-butler/

colouringindoors · 20/04/2024 10:26

Soooo much respect for this woman.

So much disgust for those abusing her and spreading misinformation. For shame.

viques · 20/04/2024 10:39

GenderBlender · 20/04/2024 07:22

I hope that woman gets a damehood pretty damn quick. She deserves to be sainted.

I hope she gets a baronesss thingy, we need people like her in the HOL rather than some of the other recent appointments. Maybe we could swap her for “ A Big Girl Made Me Do It “ Ruth.

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 10:41

WarriorN · 20/04/2024 10:18

Linking the thread for reference. It's worth reading the first few posts.

We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

That thread from 2018 is shocking.

There's two points that sound particularly disturbing in hindsight.

James Morton gave some insight into tactics the TRAs will probably start using in England and Wales as they were successful in Scotland.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.

He also said what worked in Scotland's was a “constructive, friendly, innocent” tone when debating or in dialogue with the GC side. To be mindful about who is watching- essentially like what we do with the lurkers on the FWR board. To make the TRAs look like the reasonable side.

AND

Christine Burns said that children have “gender awareness” from around the age of 2. The general consensus was that a child who articulates that they want to change their gender should be able to- no matter how young they are.

CB also said that we “baby” children in our culture, whereas in other countries 12 year olds are considered old enough to fight in wars.

The whole thing is about benefits for mens rights. Which we've been saying. And how children are a tool for legitimacy for late transitioning males.

These are extremists.

Why are they not being seen as extreme?

Women have stayed exactly the same in their views.

Where is the culture war and who is waging it?

Those Russian tanks are on Ukrainian soil. There are no Ukrainian tanks on Russian soil. 'Ukraine should make peace...'

RebelliousCow · 20/04/2024 10:43

Not only Dawn Butler, but also Angela Eagle, Wes Streeting and Yyvette Cooper's constituency association have recieved funds from Linda Riley led organisations. She seems like a very influential person within the Labour Party:

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/09/26/linda-riley/

Linda Riley

Since Riley has resurfaced, attacking Sharon Davies, for defending single sex sports, I though it would be timely to capture some of Riley’s claims to fame. Here she is allying herself with Labour …

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/09/26/linda-riley/