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ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:37

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2024 17:11

My brother felt he had to. My parents really did not help matters.

Sexism was very much alive and kicking in the 1990s still unfortunately.

Does your sibling give you permission to misgender her when you discuss her transition online?

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:44

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/04/2024 20:08

Yes. Which is where this is all falling apart as there is no evidence to show that children thinking they're the wrong sex thrive and flourish in adulthood. In fact the evidence is the opposite in terms of mental and physical health.

Yet still they persist in telling children that their bodies are wrong and need fixing..

Hi there! There is evidence right here on this thread!

Where's the evidence saying that young transitioners do not thrive and flourish in adulthood? How many young transitioners do you know, both current and historical?

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:53

Helleofabore · 25/04/2024 18:12

The ad hom attack is all that is left. And on form, hatched makes it as hyperbolic as possible.

Why Biggs? Because Michael Biggs has been consistent on this for a long time. And is highly respected.

There is nothing left. If that poster had anything supporting evidence or even logic to support their claims, they would provide them. If I remember correctly, they did link up the evidence supporting their claims some times, but the evidence was never quite what they thought or was large scale biased respondent questionnaires from heavily biased sources without any academic merit. They stopped trying after people showed the flaws in their thinking and their evidence. I could be wrong and thinking of a different poster.

Either way, now all we get is this hyperbole, and emotionally manipulative and highly emotive posts.

Have you read one of his papers before? Actually looked at the language he chooses to employ and the way he frames his arguments? Did you notice anything? He has indeed displayed consistently trans-negative attitudes for a long time and often seems unable to resist letting his biases flow freely.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2024 22:59

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:37

Does your sibling give you permission to misgender her when you discuss her transition online?

Oh fuck off.

I'm gendering them CORRECTLY.

Impossiblenurse · 25/04/2024 23:01

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:44

Hi there! There is evidence right here on this thread!

Where's the evidence saying that young transitioners do not thrive and flourish in adulthood? How many young transitioners do you know, both current and historical?

There is evidence of you on this thread. You speak for you and to your experience.

You are not young, you transitioned 30 years ago. You may not be best placed to speak for young adult transitioners who came after you, and the surge in referrals.

I know several young transitioners referred into MH services who don't appear to be thriving despite transition and affirmation.

There is no evidence to support that your experience is universal, or even majority, there is no good evidence at all...which brings us back to Cass team being unable to locate evidence to induce anyone to advocate this risky pathway.

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 23:10

Impossiblenurse · 25/04/2024 23:01

There is evidence of you on this thread. You speak for you and to your experience.

You are not young, you transitioned 30 years ago. You may not be best placed to speak for young adult transitioners who came after you, and the surge in referrals.

I know several young transitioners referred into MH services who don't appear to be thriving despite transition and affirmation.

There is no evidence to support that your experience is universal, or even majority, there is no good evidence at all...which brings us back to Cass team being unable to locate evidence to induce anyone to advocate this risky pathway.

Association of Pubertal Blockade at Tanner 2/3 With Psychosocial Benefits in Transgender and Gender Diverse Youth at Hormone Readiness Assessment - ScienceDirect

But there's no evidence at all. None. Not a shred of evidence. Nothing whatsoever.

You say 'despite transition and affirmation' in relation to these young transitioners you know, which is quite revealing. What treatment pathway would you have advocated instead?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/04/2024 23:18

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:44

Hi there! There is evidence right here on this thread!

Where's the evidence saying that young transitioners do not thrive and flourish in adulthood? How many young transitioners do you know, both current and historical?

Unfortunately many middle aged men who claim to be women have a lot to say about young women. It's led them to believe their uncomfortable developing bodies are wrong and can be fixed with a sex change.

If I could do one thing it would be to remove this influence from the vicinity of the young and allow them to develop to adulthood free from believing that drugs and surgery will "fix" their poor mental health and bodies.

Impossiblenurse · 25/04/2024 23:28

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 23:10

Association of Pubertal Blockade at Tanner 2/3 With Psychosocial Benefits in Transgender and Gender Diverse Youth at Hormone Readiness Assessment - ScienceDirect

But there's no evidence at all. None. Not a shred of evidence. Nothing whatsoever.

You say 'despite transition and affirmation' in relation to these young transitioners you know, which is quite revealing. What treatment pathway would you have advocated instead?

This is interesting research. My first thought is that puberty is a turbulent time for everyone, often characterised by discomfort and anxiet. Here though we mature, hopefully build more complex relationships with others, find purpose, perhaps mature in our thoughts and beliefs and develop a sense of ourself in relation to the rest of the world. Being neutered by puberty blockers, and not reaching this developmental mile stone before then transitioning to cross sex hormones might be a terrible terrible idea.

That cohort is now 16-20 and I hope this is a longitudinal study and perhaps we'll have something to work with and I wish they had documented thus evidence over the last 30 years and not now when the cohort numbers and profile has changed so significantly.

As I say first thoughts, but I will read full report tomorrow. I'd be interested to see more about the scales used and if there is reference to non gender diverse teens and their experience. Thank you for sharing.

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 23:36

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/04/2024 23:18

Unfortunately many middle aged men who claim to be women have a lot to say about young women. It's led them to believe their uncomfortable developing bodies are wrong and can be fixed with a sex change.

If I could do one thing it would be to remove this influence from the vicinity of the young and allow them to develop to adulthood free from believing that drugs and surgery will "fix" their poor mental health and bodies.

And the trans men who transitioned young and are now in a position to advise others seeking to walk the same path about their experiences? Did you forget they exist?

Datun · 26/04/2024 00:06

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 23:36

And the trans men who transitioned young and are now in a position to advise others seeking to walk the same path about their experiences? Did you forget they exist?

Given that it would appear you can potentially drop 10 IQ points on the back of puberty blockers, I'm not sure people who have taken them would be best placed to neutrally analyse their efficacy.

Datun · 26/04/2024 00:15

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:44

Hi there! There is evidence right here on this thread!

Where's the evidence saying that young transitioners do not thrive and flourish in adulthood? How many young transitioners do you know, both current and historical?

Butters, the evidence you are giving on this thread is that you can't keep your story straight, you contradict yourself, you have no idea what it's like for young girls, the main cohort involved in this, and you appear to be a deeply troubled individual.

Country to what you may believe, I'm afraid you're no advert for what you are advocating.

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 00:45

Datun · 26/04/2024 00:15

Butters, the evidence you are giving on this thread is that you can't keep your story straight, you contradict yourself, you have no idea what it's like for young girls, the main cohort involved in this, and you appear to be a deeply troubled individual.

Country to what you may believe, I'm afraid you're no advert for what you are advocating.

In what way can I not keep my story straight? Where have I lied? You seem desperate to disbelieve anything I say that conflicts your worldview and you keep trying to find inconsistencies that don't exist. How many threads have we spent painstakingly addressing every challenge you've tried? I've corrected common misconceptions claiming that puberty blockers weren't prescribed at times when they in fact were; I've corrected nigh-endless assertions that a treatment to suppress pubertal changes can't possibly work to actually suppress pubertal changes; I've corrected insinuations that I can't possibly have a DSD or that it would have stopped me obtaining treatment; I've corrected claims that any post-transition medications I have needed are due to the effects of puberty blockers; I've corrected perplexing misinterpretations of the character of the social life I've lived and my engagement with healthcare professionals. Why would I lie about any of this? What possible reason would I have to do so?

In what way do I have no idea what it's like for young trans guys? You and Helleofabore spend thread after thread repeating the same appeal to essentialist tautology and then switch to the 'safeguarding' script when I indicate I do, in fact, have insight into this subject.

Is it your professional assessment that I'm a deeply troubled individual? I suppose I am on Mumsnet's Sex and Gender board caught in a seemingly endless Groundhog Day loop trying to address the tide of wilful misinformation about the effects of Puberty Blockers on young transitioners whenever the subject comes up, when I could instead be doing literally anything else. Given the immense harm that has been caused and continues to be caused when these go unchecked, however, I'm willing to accept some misery as a worthy price to pay.

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 01:10

Datun · 26/04/2024 00:06

Given that it would appear you can potentially drop 10 IQ points on the back of puberty blockers, I'm not sure people who have taken them would be best placed to neutrally analyse their efficacy.

I love this one the most of all. "Blockers make you stupid so I can ignore anything that anyone who has ever taken them subsequently says (unless it aligns with my worldview and then I will enshrine it as definitive and infallible fact)".

Oh what could have been! If only poor little Butterfly had been forced to grow into the intellectual powerhouse of a young man that nature intended. Such a promising nascent young genius, tragically and cruelly denied by those evil nasty blockers and the evil mad scientists who experimented with them!

It's so mystifying how I suddenly started scoring better in exams after being treated with Blockers. What a conundrum.

AstonVillains · 26/04/2024 06:14

ButterflyHatched:
The evidence is overwhelmingly strong that GnRH analogues are an extremely effective way of temporarily suppressing puberty, yet they seem to be being assessed on their ability to deliver unrealistic mental health results to young people who know all-too-well that they are merely an initial, conciliatory first step in a much longer process toward resolving incongruence.

The reason why puberty blockers are being judged on their ability to deliver mental health results to young people, is that the child's distress at going through natural puberty is the reason given for prescribing them in the first place. As far as I'm aware no-one is claiming that they don't supress the effects of puberty, the problem is that they have serious side effects but the evidence of any benefit is weak. The Tavistock's own study said on average there was no mental health improvement, although IIRC further analysis said that some participants saw benefits and others actually got worse. Ideally there'd be some analysis of what factors made a difference, but unless it's something obvious like all the male patients improved but all the female patients got worse, you'd need a much much bigger sample size to draw any reliable conclusions. Without that evidence not only are you risking the unpleasant physical side effects, but making the mental health of a distressed child worse. So much for "First do no harm".

Datun · 26/04/2024 06:50

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 01:10

I love this one the most of all. "Blockers make you stupid so I can ignore anything that anyone who has ever taken them subsequently says (unless it aligns with my worldview and then I will enshrine it as definitive and infallible fact)".

Oh what could have been! If only poor little Butterfly had been forced to grow into the intellectual powerhouse of a young man that nature intended. Such a promising nascent young genius, tragically and cruelly denied by those evil nasty blockers and the evil mad scientists who experimented with them!

It's so mystifying how I suddenly started scoring better in exams after being treated with Blockers. What a conundrum.

Crikey, I wasn't talking about you, butters. Again, you're not representative of the cohort of young women.

But either way, young people who have had their development arrested, or are sterile, unable to achieve orgasm or understand post pubescent sexual arousal and potentially struggle to pair bond, simply won't know what they don't know. They're victims, not experts.

No-one should rely on them to 'advise' gender distressed children. Bloody hell. That's how we're in this mess in the first place.

And I'm sorry, butters, but you do come across as troubled. You spend a lot of time talking about your specific experience, as if it's relevant. It's not. It's anecdote. And from an anonymous, random individual at that.

"I suppose I am on Mumsnet's Sex and Gender board caught in a seemingly endless Groundhog Day loop".

I think you are. And you're not having the effect that you intend. My honest advice is to stop picking that scab.

And to rest assured that Hilary Cass, one of our most respected paediatricians, genuinely has children's best interests at heart.

OldCrone · 26/04/2024 06:57

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 01:10

I love this one the most of all. "Blockers make you stupid so I can ignore anything that anyone who has ever taken them subsequently says (unless it aligns with my worldview and then I will enshrine it as definitive and infallible fact)".

Oh what could have been! If only poor little Butterfly had been forced to grow into the intellectual powerhouse of a young man that nature intended. Such a promising nascent young genius, tragically and cruelly denied by those evil nasty blockers and the evil mad scientists who experimented with them!

It's so mystifying how I suddenly started scoring better in exams after being treated with Blockers. What a conundrum.

Have you read this? Published earlier this year. No paywall, so you can read the whole thing.

The impact of suppressing puberty on neuropsychological function: A review

From one of the studies in which these drugs were given to children with precocious puberty:

While the average loss of IQ points was 7, it is noteworthy that at least one patient in this study experienced a significant loss of 15 points or more, since the highest IQ score in the group was 138 at baseline and this dropped to 123 following treatment.

And nobody has suggested that you would have been an "intellectual powerhouse". These drugs have been given to children of all abilities. This is from a case study of a child given these drugs for gender dysphoria:

On admission, at the age of 11 years and 10 months, the patient was assessed to have a global IQ of 80. Treatment with GnRHa was instigated at age 11 years, 11 months. The patient was reassessed age 13 and 3 months, at which time, a loss of 9 IQ points had occurred, and the IQ had dropped to 71.

What is surprising here is that the doctors believed that an 11-year-old with an IQ of 80 was competent to consent to this treatment.

Datun · 26/04/2024 07:21

OldCrone · 26/04/2024 06:57

Have you read this? Published earlier this year. No paywall, so you can read the whole thing.

The impact of suppressing puberty on neuropsychological function: A review

From one of the studies in which these drugs were given to children with precocious puberty:

While the average loss of IQ points was 7, it is noteworthy that at least one patient in this study experienced a significant loss of 15 points or more, since the highest IQ score in the group was 138 at baseline and this dropped to 123 following treatment.

And nobody has suggested that you would have been an "intellectual powerhouse". These drugs have been given to children of all abilities. This is from a case study of a child given these drugs for gender dysphoria:

On admission, at the age of 11 years and 10 months, the patient was assessed to have a global IQ of 80. Treatment with GnRHa was instigated at age 11 years, 11 months. The patient was reassessed age 13 and 3 months, at which time, a loss of 9 IQ points had occurred, and the IQ had dropped to 71.

What is surprising here is that the doctors believed that an 11-year-old with an IQ of 80 was competent to consent to this treatment.

And TRAs like butters claim these children are "... now in a position to advise others seeking to walk the same path about their experiences?"

RedToothBrush · 26/04/2024 07:28

Butters does not understand what evidence based medicine is. And without irony after I posted the script on the argument over that, proceeded to copy the script.

Butters thinks that medicine is gender neutral. Medicine is not gender neutral. Medicine responds differently to male and female bodies. This is something that trans people generally are saying in response to working out their bodies, which have been drugged with hormones, are also not responding as expected and are demanding more research (whilst also rejecting the concept of research).

Butters also says they had drugs which has been shown to reduce IQ whilst saying they understand everything properly and we are all the ones who have got it wrong and Dr Cass is wrong because ancedote of their own life = good high quality evidence of transition of females.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm finding it hard not to draw my own conclusions at this point.

RebelliousCow · 26/04/2024 08:00

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:44

Hi there! There is evidence right here on this thread!

Where's the evidence saying that young transitioners do not thrive and flourish in adulthood? How many young transitioners do you know, both current and historical?

Typically, doubts start to set in after a few years, but then around 10 years seems to be the optimum time for serious disillusionment. Some do carry on for even longer. There's an excellent documentary on Netflix called 'Regretters' featuring two older men who transitioned a long time ago - one in the 1960's when 'sex change operations' first became available, the other in the 1980's. Both were now undergoing procedures to restore their lost genitalia ( not that it is ever really possible) having realised that they were not really women after all and wanting to be more true to themselves.

My husband has an older male family member who transitioned a long time ago - but says he has regrets; that it didn't really make his life any easier or more liveable at all.

The stories and testimonies of detransitioners are ever more common as time goes by.

RethinkingLife · 26/04/2024 08:11

Repeating my question. Cass met 1000 people with relevant experience and different perspectives.

BH - Cass had an email address to which all were free to write. Did you write and offer your personal lived experience as well as offer an audit of your professional experience?

As for perspective on evidence-based medicine and what constitutes a fair test or study design, Testing Treatments is straightforward to read, free of charge, and available as an audiobook.

https://en.testingtreatments.org/

Testing Treatments interactive

This website is about why testing treatments rigorously is important and what YOU can do to promote better research for better health care.

https://en.testingtreatments.org

RebelliousCow · 26/04/2024 08:15

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 11:38

There would have been nothing genuine and 'authentic' about living the last quarter of a century pretending to be a man in utter misery. Does your ideology dictate that transition is always the wrong choice regardless of evidence or outcomes?

It seems like you are consigned to having "to pretend" whatever you do? Isn't that the whole issue? Feeling like you have to present or perform in certain ways; enact certain roles - none of which, ultimately, are really you.

We all do this in life, though, as we attempt to live up to what is expected of us - and not simply in the realm of 'gender' - but in every area of life. We try on all sorts of roles to see what fits; and then often after time has passed that role no longer fits very well, either.

Struggles with 'gender' are the natural struggles of 'the self'. Teaching children that they can escape this does not help them to develop emotional resilience, and it is not true that you can escape anyway. The issues always return, or you are presented with a whole new different set of issues.

RebelliousCow · 26/04/2024 08:25

ButterflyHatched · 25/04/2024 22:35

It is indeed AMAB late transitioners who historically received the lion's share of the media coverage, often without even a shred of compassion or regard for their own wishes. It's been nice to see that balance slowly shift.

When did you personally first discover that we (young transitioners) exist? We put a lot of effort into infosec, and it was only through the kindness and forethought of the healthcare professionals of that era that we that we were able to escape into society (and the healthcare system) without a glowing paper trail. At some point over the course of the last decade, the anti-trans lobby sadly discovered the intolerable horror that is our existence and from that moment on - cue the screaming headlines and new heights of moral panic as the crusade entered full swing.

Were you aware of our existence prior to the first indignant tabloid howls?

The issue was not that people such as yourself exist - but the issue that the government were planning to bring in Self ID - along with the capture of many of our institutions and organisations by a radical post modernistic ideology - which sought, effectively, to erase women as a distinct and integral human category of being; enforce pronoun use and so on. The " tabloid howls" came after women had woken up and realised what was going on.

Helleofabore · 26/04/2024 09:02

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 01:10

I love this one the most of all. "Blockers make you stupid so I can ignore anything that anyone who has ever taken them subsequently says (unless it aligns with my worldview and then I will enshrine it as definitive and infallible fact)".

Oh what could have been! If only poor little Butterfly had been forced to grow into the intellectual powerhouse of a young man that nature intended. Such a promising nascent young genius, tragically and cruelly denied by those evil nasty blockers and the evil mad scientists who experimented with them!

It's so mystifying how I suddenly started scoring better in exams after being treated with Blockers. What a conundrum.

I am quite sure you and any other adult who thinks about this will realise that you doing ‘better at exams’ is not the indicator of intelligence that you have tried to make it here.

I mean, in all seriousness, think about it. Please stop thinking so superficially about this.

Besides which, you might have been a person who didn’t have a negative impact on your IQ due to the timing of your treatment or any other reason. oldcrone has posted the study. But even before this, they tested animals and got disturbing results that indicated there is potential harm.

Many of us have said it in the past, but we will keep repeating it. Maybe it will sink in. YOU have told us you had a specific medical condition which makes your personal journey unique. You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot have a rare medical condition AND be typical of the previous cohort of those registered as children with UK gender clinics.

You are certainly not typical of the current cohort of those registered as children with UK gender clinics because you are male.

Either way, and this is not too hard to understand surely, if you have a rare medical condition, the same drugs that showed the results in the study that Old Crone posted, you may or may not have that outcome.

However, your turn around of exam results can be put down to many things. What it is not likely to be is an improvement in IQ because of the drugs you took, if that was what you are trying to imply. In other words, your exam results are highly likely to be irrelevant to the discussion around the findings of typical child patients of puberty blockers.

It is the reaction within this post of yours which shows those reading your posts that you are most certainly not the person to be advising children and young people on this particular issue.

NotBadConsidering · 26/04/2024 09:08

Is Butterfly “Sword of Damocles” Hatched still claiming to be an example of a “thriving” puberty blocked adult even though BH was blocked late and has a myriad of health conditions in their early 40s and is currently on another thread talking about how it was “absolutely terrifying” living in stealth surrounded by “bigots” worried they’d find out about BH’s past?

Ok.

Helleofabore · 26/04/2024 10:12

ButterflyHatched · 26/04/2024 00:45

In what way can I not keep my story straight? Where have I lied? You seem desperate to disbelieve anything I say that conflicts your worldview and you keep trying to find inconsistencies that don't exist. How many threads have we spent painstakingly addressing every challenge you've tried? I've corrected common misconceptions claiming that puberty blockers weren't prescribed at times when they in fact were; I've corrected nigh-endless assertions that a treatment to suppress pubertal changes can't possibly work to actually suppress pubertal changes; I've corrected insinuations that I can't possibly have a DSD or that it would have stopped me obtaining treatment; I've corrected claims that any post-transition medications I have needed are due to the effects of puberty blockers; I've corrected perplexing misinterpretations of the character of the social life I've lived and my engagement with healthcare professionals. Why would I lie about any of this? What possible reason would I have to do so?

In what way do I have no idea what it's like for young trans guys? You and Helleofabore spend thread after thread repeating the same appeal to essentialist tautology and then switch to the 'safeguarding' script when I indicate I do, in fact, have insight into this subject.

Is it your professional assessment that I'm a deeply troubled individual? I suppose I am on Mumsnet's Sex and Gender board caught in a seemingly endless Groundhog Day loop trying to address the tide of wilful misinformation about the effects of Puberty Blockers on young transitioners whenever the subject comes up, when I could instead be doing literally anything else. Given the immense harm that has been caused and continues to be caused when these go unchecked, however, I'm willing to accept some misery as a worthy price to pay.

Firstly, as has already been pointed out, I don’t believe any poster has said puberty blocking drugs don’t supress puberty.

This is an example of the very inconsistencies that we keep pointing out. But it is one of comprehension I think.

Other inconsistencies are like the discussion over the past pages of ‘authenticity’ which is a fallacy because it shows disconnected thinking.

However this statement below is significant and shows a deeper level of dissonance. And one that is harmful.

In what way do I have no idea what it's like for young trans guys? You and Helleofabore spend thread after thread repeating the same appeal to essentialist tautology and then switch to the 'safeguarding' script when I indicate I do, in fact, have insight into this subject.

To clarify, I assume you use the term ‘guys’, to mean FEMALE people. Yes? Are you deliberately using ‘guys’ to make those female children and young people to be seen as not female? Which would be the dismissive behaviour towards female people that I and others have noticed previously.

Now you do what you seems to be your habit to attempt to use terminology that makes you sound like you have thought about this as an intellectual concept in an appeal to authority. To clarify, I assume you want ‘essentialist tautology’ to convey that you think we use sex based terminology to exclude your personal experience from being relevant to a group of people you do not belong to.

In other words, you are complaining that posters are saying you have no relevant experience to be advising GIRLS about their personal issues. You, an adult male, are upset that posters, generally women, have pointed out it is a safeguarding risk that an adult male is advising female children on issues that adult males have no experience in.

And by doing so, you are potentially influencing significant medical decisions made by that child or young person. This is very serious and not to be dismissed.

You see, those inconsistencies I have posted in the previous post about how you consider yourself to be ‘typical’ of those using puberty blockers when, in fact, you have a unique experience that is not in any way typical due to your medical condition? That inconsistency alap applies here.

You, as a male person, cannot see the significance that you don’t understand the female childhood experiences that those female children are trying to deal with. Because you have centred yourself and your unique experience as being ‘typical’, when this is a falsehood.

You have insight in your transition story. It is not relevant to most of the female children you have positioned yourself to advise. This is why we keep pointing it out. Even Thomas Steensma has made the point that the current cohort has unique issues that the previous male cohort did not have.

You are not trained in child pyschology. You are not a female person. You have no experience as a female person dealing with a female human body.

Do you even have any experience in dealing with puberty except that yours was delayed and never finished? You only have the experience of being a trans person from a male perspective.

To be clear, you admit that you have not had the typical male puberty experience so your experience to be dealing with children going through puberty is significantly impaired. You have no lived experience at all however about female lives. No matter how you try to intellectualise it, you just don’t.

Plus you seem to view everything by centring yourself, if your behaviour on this board is anything to go by. Every thread you post on is a post centring yourself. That is a huge concern right there and shows you are not the right person to be talking to female children about this. Maybe not any children. You are so personally and heavily invested in this and use every opportunity as one to validate your own decisions.

You can derisively label it ‘essentialist’ to point out that you, as a male, have no insight into the issues faced by female children. The label doesn’t change the truth.

Your ‘insight’ is that you are a male person with a medical condition that is rare. You are not ‘typical’. Yet you want to be considered typical so that your personal experience is considered the norm. It isn’t and it never was.

I have my own thoughts as to why you do this, but those don’t change the fact that this has been a recognisable pattern over years of interaction.

The fact that we ‘switch to a safeguarding script’ is because this is a safeguarding issue.

And you are complaining that we see the organisation that allows you to advise children as a safeguarding risk. Instead of thinking whether we have a valid point or not. Someone wishing to support strong safeguarding should have the self awareness to think deeply about whether what others point out has merit when it relates to their actions and behaviours. That you don’t and actively dismiss it as ‘essentialism’ is a huge concern.

And at this point, I should save this post and merely keep posting it whenever you start this cycle again. I don’t believe I have said anything new in this post at all. But I think it needs to be said. Not for you though, Hatched. But for those reading along.

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