Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

[lechiffre55]

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

Those people trying to expose this phony war, and the illegal settlements all over Palestine and the treatment of the people of Gaza and the West Bank, are being systematically shut up. This much more so in the USA, but in the UK too. Shouts ot antisemitism, racism, extremism- are being systematically used to derail, and shut down.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/01/palestine-us-activism-firings-speech

In other news
https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/jewish-yale-student-stabbed-in-the-eye-with-palestinian-flag-during-protest/

This much more so in the USA, but in the UK too. Shouts ot antisemitism, racism, extremism- are being systematically used to derail, and shut down.

Perhaps look at the other side, and how accusations of antisemitism are systematically, and very cleverly, used to shut down all dissent

Since you mention the USA, here's a video of what's happening there to young Jewish students, which is fucking chilling to say the least.

https://twitter.com/NeriaKraus/status/1782258191973089715

You have shown absolutely no desire to debate. Your posts get deleted because you are peddling extremely offensive and demonstrably false conspiracy theories. Maybe before you start whimpering about how hard done by you are, actually respond to some of the many invitations to 'debate' you have already been offered. I myself have asked for proof twice of claims you have made and continue to make. I have also pointed out that the 'source' you are trying to offer is very famously hamas propaganda. Yet you continue to offer it like it has some sort of credibility. You are either extremely dim and have been taken in by false information because it sounds like something you want to believe in, and/or you are a revolting little racist trying to spread upset and misinformation on a thread set up to discuss the disgusting antisemitism on display at these demonstrations and the fact that in 2024 London a Jew is told he has to avoid certain areas or face arrest. Feel free to keep spreading your bullshit whilst ignoring any comments you don't like or can't answer, personally I have no further interest in engaging with you. PS Please look up the word 'genocide'; what's happening in palestine is not one and isn't going to become one just because you keep pretending it is.

Did you read the article?

Let us repeat:
Egypt - which is NOT at war with Hamas - refuse to Open their border to Palestinian refugees.
No can do. Nope.

Also, Gaza was doing pretty well before 7. October. Look at the pics and videos.
Many palestinians in exile had deemed it finally safe to visit for longer periods of time, and were trapped after Hamas’ attack.
Beautiful beaches, well (foreign) run hospitals, well built housing, fairly thriving in many places by the looks of YouTube and TikTok.
Not brilliant since it is a theocracy, but materially fairly well.

The population of the Gaza strip is eyewateringly dense. Population denisty of several thousand per square km.
The relatively low cost in human lives does show that genocide is not what is happening. That is of small consolation to those who have lost loved ones and who are trapped in this hellscape now, but it is worth mentioning with regards to all the claims of genocidal activities by Israel.
It is war and people are awful, but it is not an ethnic slaughter.

A peaceful solution is needed, and as far as I can make out, the ball is in the muslim/arabic neighbour’s court.

What the hell is that crazy video?
That was properly scary, crazy leader and nutso chanters forming a human chain so that the «zionists» cannot disturb their privacy and community?
Insanity.

@turbonerd Pretty terrifying isn't it. Their "privacy" being...literally the uni grounds. Honestly thought it was some kind of amateur dramatics at first! And plans to do the same in other colleges apparently.

That's horrific. How can anyone possibly defend this?!

Your post was deleted because you were denying well-evidenced rapes.

Not because you were criticising Netanyahu.

Discussion is not being shut down when people say, actually, what is happening is not genocide. The discussion about how evil some people perceive Zionism to be is all over the Guardian (and probably the Independent, haven't looked) and university campuses.

'All dissent' is shut down my arse. It's out there marching through the streets of London at regular intervals.

Jesus Christ. That should terrify anyone rational. What has happened to academia?

Part of the problem with US and UK protests is that those protesting are very loud and they are taking over public space stopping others going about their business, rather than just meeting in halls for discussions or writing articles in newspapers. it is like men surrounding abortion clinics and shouting at women going in. Although I agree with free speech and rights to protest if the protests are so large and mean people feel unsafe on the street just because they look jewish or are a woman showing her legs or arms or because she drives a car of a kind an eco protestor does not like we then cross the line into what is not okay.

In a sense it is the same issue as women wanting to reclaim the streets - be safe to be out and about without men shouting at them.

That is chilling: I can't think of a better word.

Nazis block Jews from entering the University of Vienna. Austria, 1938

wtf is that

Chanting cultish behaviour my god

There was another video from the same campus, with their so-called 'progressive' students screaming 'go back to Poland'. To American Jewish kids. But apparently it's all just anti-Zionism, or something.

That last bit, totally offensive and racist.

There is no such country as Palestine. The two state solution was rejected on multiple occasions by the Palestinian leadership. What there is is Israel and the 'Palestinian territories'. Until 1967 Gaza belonged to Egypt and the West Bank belonged to Jordan. The concept of a Palestinian identity was only introduced after the 1967 war - and it was a political move. Yasser Arafat was actually Egyptian, born in Cairo.

Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza in 2005 and removed all of its peoples. What did the Gazan inhabitants do then? They elected Hamas, who declared jihad and have been firing rockets and building tunnels ever since. There was no security wall in 2005. It was Hamas's commitment to destroying Israel that necessitated it. Gaza was not " occupied" at all"; and furthermore Egypt wanted nothing to do with the Palestinians and certainly not with Hamas - hence their security wall, and refusal to allow admittance, even now in the face of war.

Jordan offered citizenship to almost 3 million Palestinians after the 67'war. How did the Palestinian leadership thank them? They tried to assasinate the King of Jordan and conducted campaigns of terror. Likewise, when Kuwait offered a home, the PLO decided to back Saddam Hussein's invasion. Kuwait couldn't wait to get rid of their Palestinian 'problem' after that.

The West Bank situation has arisen in the absence of a two state solution, because of an increasingly radicalised Israeli settler movement - who no longer have any faith that co-existence is possible. That is not to excuse the behaviour - but it does go a short way in explaining some of it. But Israel has removed its people before, and could so again. But the Palestinians have to show willing; and so far they have not. They still teach their children that all of the land betwen the river and the sea is theirs. They do not even recognise Israel.

Excellent summary!

The Palestinian flag wasn’t even adopted until AFTER Israel’s inception. Almost 20 years later IIRC. There were no Palestinians. They were known as Arabs.

I read somewhere that Jewish people bought up a lot of land privately from the Ottomans before they lost the land to the British in WWI which is not often spoken about either.

The West Bank was Jordan’s. They didn’t want it back when offered after the 1967 war so Israel was left with it. Same as Egypt with Gaza.

I didn’t know Arafat was Egyptian. How interesting!

Bit odd that Arafat’s Wiki bio states he was born to Palestinian parents in Cairo in 1929 when there was no Palestinian citizens as such.

Wonder who wrote that.

This is terrifying, what on earth is their justification for this behaviour. Jewish students must be so scared.

Churchill's "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” keeps going though my mind (I know it's a bastardisation of someone else - can't remember who!) but maybe I make the mistake of assuming people don't want history to be repeated ☹️

some really wonderful posts on this thread, thank you.

This is true.

Another PP said The police should have escorted the jewish man wherever he wanted to go, and arrested anyone who threatened or attempted violence. If the Jewish man wanted to cross the street back and forth a hundred times/all day in front of the protestors that is his right.

That’s correct in principle, but in reality there’s no way one police officer could have achieved that, and they could both have been injured or killed. I think the officer in this case was trying to keep the peace as best he could, in impossible conditions.

Our right to demonstrate is essential. I’m concerned that the aggression and antisemitism of these marches will end up undermining this democratic right.

The scariest thing is you just know these thugs genuinely believe themselves to be 'on the right side of history'. Even when they're quite literally copying the exact behaviour of Nazis and white supremacists.

I counted 7 police officers in the clip - as far as I'm concerned they should have surrounded him to escort him or held up the marchers to create a corridor.

If this isn't possible then it's absolutely not a peaceful protest.

The problems in the region can be as much attributed to conflict between different arab states, political forces, clans and tribes as it can to the existence of Israel. If there was such great arab solidarity then Lebanon and Syria would have offered citizenship rather than keeping the 'Palestinian' population as second and third generation refugees without civil rights. The UN also has some responsibility for this, though.

That the Palestinian population has been maintained, and even grown, as a refugee population, rather than quickly re-settled, as with most of the world's other refugees, is a politcal decision.

Yes, Arafat was born in Egypt, though his father had been born in Gaza ( it was Egyptian territory). He was a radical 'Baathist' - an arab who believed in a greater, socialist, pan arab state - hence the enmity towards Middle Eastern monarchies ; and in part why British and other Socialists have always been antagonistic towards Israel. Saddam Hussein was a 'Baathist' too ( turned dictator) - which is why George Galloway supported him.

The idea that a Palestinian state would be secular and socialist seems a bit far fetched though, doesn't it?