The second caller was the mother of a 14yo female child who identifies as trans. She said the child was upset/angry about the show and wanted to counter what had been said but was too upset.
That part of the phone-in became very heated and the mother became very angry after the panellists questioned her or challenged her on the things she had said.
The panel host asked her what she meant by her child behaving like a boy / man and she denied she’d said it. (She had said it.) The mother criticised Marguerite and misrepresented what Marguerite had said when Marguerite was arguing that talking about behaving like a boy was putting limits on what girls could be / do. The mother denied having said the things she’d said, but in the very next breath said her daughter had never worn a skirt from a young age. The mother went on a massive tirade against Marguerite.
The panel host brought it to a close as it was clear that the mother (understandably) wasn’t in a position to discuss this topic.
I found it upsetting to listen to. I got the sense that, if the mother hadn’t been dealing with a child affected by all this, she would have been in full agreement with the panellists. (At one point she said something like this trans ideology is everywhere.) But she was trying to support her child and defend herself from criticism, and therefore (understandably) went on the attack.
The programme up to that point was a great watch, but including the final phonecall was a misjudgement by the researchers/programme as a child was involved, even if they weren’t on the phonecall themself.
I’ll do a separate post on the rest of the discussion.