The Scottish Greens are revolting

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/furious-lgbt-scottish-greens-say-party-could-leave-government-over-nhs-puberty-blockers-pause

At least, the Rainbow Greens are!

There's a petition for the Greens to leave Government, if anyone finds it please post the link or how to find it!

I wonder what the actual straw was for Humza that made this happen. The climate targets issue came at an opportune moment to claim that was the reason... but was it that, the Cass report or both?

I think it probably says more about the extreme lunacy of the Greens than the SNP. It takes extreme lunacy for the SNP to make another party appear unhinged.

The SNP comes across as the adults in the room......well, the pre-schoolers, with the Greens being the toddlers!

Even the right-on BBC think the puberty blocker ban is played its part in the split:

From BBC:

Where did it all go wrong for the Greens?

Clearly there have been growing tensions for some time on both sides about the power-sharing agreement between the SNP and the Greens, but both parties have soldiered on regardless.

But last week the Greens lost control of the narrative around an important climate change goal being ditched.

They had clearly not wanted the 2030 target for reducing emissions by 75% to go but a lack of progress towards it left ministers with a diminishing number of options.

It had been hoped that a package of more than a dozen policies being wrapped around the announcement would be enough to take the sting out of such an unpalatable decision for party members.

But when news of that decision over the targets was broken a day earlier than planned by BBC Scotland News, they entirely lost control of that message.
Compound that with a decision - on the same day - to pause the prescribing of puberty blockers for children referred to a specialist NHS gender clinic and the unpalatable tipped into the unacceptable for many members.

From that point, the race was then on to see who would collapse the agreement first.

"unlikely. Gender ideology has been embedded in the SNP since well before the last Scottish election"

I think the power of the Cass review is that it has set the tone and has called for reasoned thinking/discussion about trans issues (not hyperbole and misinformation). The SNP won't argue against this anymore. Therefore, they are going to need to regroup to find a new way of trying to uphold their positioning. This will be hard to find. I expect they will hunker down, hoping that the current change in political discussion about quality of debate will fade, and they can continue business as usual.

It was always going to end up with reason winning. It's the damage that continues to be caused in the meantime that is concerning.

I think we are progressing around a wide bend, but we haven't turned a corner. We'll get there though!

Cass. It was the Rainbow Greens that for forcing the vote in the Green Party due to Cass. And Alba forcing the confidence vote in response to Harvie’s statements on Cass. They can’t say that though because the SNP are still in the thrall of TRAs.

I wonder if this will effectively kill off the Greens as a power sharing party, and therefore kill them off politically. They’ve shown themselves to be so extreme and inflexible, especially on gender ideology, that surely no party would want to go near them again?

Interesting to read the different reporting of it... particular media outlets find it more convenient to forget about the Cass report issues and rainbow greens forcing a vote and focus entirely on the climate targets.

That is why people are fooled to vote Green.

Regarding the Gender reform bollicks that was blocked by the UK govt.

Humza Yuseless said he'd appeal the decision when he was put in charge. Has that happened yet?

If not, I wonder if it will just be quietly dropped, now that the childmunchers of the green party are no longer scweaming and scweaming until they're sthick over it?

Or rather, they'll scweam all right, but they're no longer at the table.

Too late to do it now.

Too late? Ah, good. Dare I dream that crap is dead in the water?

Wonder why he didn't follow on with his biiiiig promise to appeal and give poor little Bethy-wethy with the big knives what Bethy wanted? Somebody else must have scared him more.

I shouldn't laugh as I and ~6 million others have to live with this shitshow but

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https://twitter.com/craigymeighan/status/1783418949746466917

Delightfully, the Greens' farewell speech, punctuated by the accompaniment of someone making coffee in the background.

Humza has just been asked ‘if he is a dame luck leader?’ in the press conference.

Everybody knows his time is up and his career is now over. This press conference is deeply embarrassing for him. It’s beautiful.

The conversion therapy bill was part of the green agenda- so that will fall away now. SNP wont touch with a barge pole now .

Whoever was filming gave up when Patrick Harvie started going on about transphobia ...

Probably the suggestion the Greens were going to be pushed by members to leave BHA. He just wanted to get in there first.

I didn’t listen to it all but the coffee machine made me laugh

Good news all round. Brilliant

How this unravels

The surrender happened in December and was an utter humiliation for the SNP:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/20/gender-recognition-reform-bill-scottish-ministers-drop-legal-action-westminster-veto

Basically the SNP finally listened to the lawyers and realised it was going to fail. However pursuing the case in the first place was utterly dumb as Forbes pointed out. Most importantly from an Indy point of view it gave Westminster the legal and moral high ground. Getting Westminster to use Section 35 could have been a huge win for Scots Nats, but instead they managed to find a way to make the Tories and the Union the good guys.

It was one of the earliest of Humza's failures which he only did to keep the Greens on board. Only now he had to toss them out anyway it looks even worse.

Four months later and everything is imploding.

BBC live reporting:

Yousaf denies he's heading for the exit door
published at 10:43
"No, this is leadership," Yousaf responds when a journalist says isn't it clear he is heading for the exit door as SNP leader.
"This is the ability to say we are taking control as a party, and indeed as a government."

I thought he’d be gone in 6 months, but it may be much much sooner. Think folks can smell blood .

What a fun morning and it feels as though there is so much more to come....

No, the conversion bill is an attempt to bring Self ID in via the back door.

It's highly amusing to watch everyone just milling around, getting on with their jobs/making coffee, while a completely irrelevant group act as if they've somehow got something important to say. It's like the yawning irrelevance of the Inbetweeners/LibDems in The Thick of It.

It would only have been funnier if there'd been a cleaner running a squeegee mop around them as the Greens wittered on: "Scuse me love, I've got to get this floor done, see?"

It was one of the earliest of Humza's failures which he only did to keep the Greens on board.

The GRR bill was an SNP bill. The SNP push gender ideology as much as the Greens. Remember the crying in the broom cupboard apology to TRAs video by Sturgeon when the SNP were forced to give raped and traumatised women the opportunity to request a female forensic examiner rather than having to accept a man who identified as a woman? Or the Gender representation on public boards bill that is currently being taken to the Supreme Court by FWS over the definition of ‘woman’? That also pre-dates the BHA.

Don’t be fooled into thinking gender nonsense was down to the Greens.

It's reminiscent of Rudy Giuliani and his car park press conference!

They said a while back they are not appealing it.