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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 28/04/2024 10:06

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 09:58

'watering down gender reforms, will be deeply unpalatable to SNP members.'

Bowditch has this very wrong. Gender reforms were driven from the top and from the Greens. The membership were never sold on them.

Yes, I don't know where she is getting that from. SNP supporters that I know are furious with the SNP leadership for allowing the Greens to drag them into the Gender Reform Bill and hate crime craziness. Whatever their personal views on self-ID etc, they recognise the toxicity to voters.

Sorry for quoting from the Art of War (red flag for being a libertarian nutter on social media), but Hamza epitomises, "Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat".

DuesToTheDirt · 28/04/2024 10:25

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 09:44

Though she completely ignores the importance of the Cass report in this (or even mentions it). It was the Rainbow Greens that called the EGM in response to the NHS stopping prescribing puberty blockers not the environment target as they have been trying to spin since.

Thanks for showing me I'm not going mad. I saw a press article about the Greens wanting to break the coalition over puberty blockers at Sandyford. Then later the same day the climate report came out and I was seeing articles about the Greens wanting to break the coalition over climate targets. I wondered if the earlier press article had been a hallucination.

Edit: sorry, I see the OP mentioned one of these hallucinatory articles. I can't keep up!

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 28/04/2024 11:58

"Yousaf has thrown the pin and held on to the hand grenade. He is a man who plays Russian roulette with all six barrels loaded." 😂 thank you for the share Ig

Joining the chorus of FFS "not Jenny Gilruth" 😱 that really would be frying pan to fire.

I read something this morning on Stephen Flynn swooping into Holyrood to help but as far as I understand the SNP machinations they can't do that because they worked so hard to keep Jo Cherry out 🤷‍♀️

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 12:19

Here's an example of the dreadful Jenny Gilruth in action -

https://x.com/sos_scotland/status/1782873210310025570

Meghan Gallagher, whatever you think of her party, has at least been meeting with parents and listening to their concerns and re-evaluating her stance, taking those into account.

https://x.com/sos_scotland/status/1782873210310025570

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 12:48

SNP supporters that I know are furious with the SNP leadership for allowing the Greens to drag them into the Gender Reform Bill and hate crime craziness.

The Hate Crime Bill was all SNP. Humza bought it in as justice secretary in the prior administration so no Green coalition them. He didn’t even need the greens on board as the Lib Dem MSPs voted for it (as did most Labour MSPs). The SNP were already pushing the gender reform bill too. They had already attempted to define women in law as anyone who self ID that way with the gender recognition on public boards act.

CocoapuffPuff · 28/04/2024 13:04

I think the hate crime legislation is really aimed at religion. You watch. Whilst I truly believe women and girls are going to suffer because of it, its not the main aim. I think this odious little man is using this legislation to drive a mainly secular society down the road towards being forced to bow to religion. Personally, I believe individuals should be allowed to have faith if they want, and I also believe that no faith should be beyond ridicule. His wee hate crime bill will set faith, of any kind, on a pedestal and that only goes one way, back to witch burning.

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 13:10

DuesToTheDirt · 28/04/2024 10:25

Thanks for showing me I'm not going mad. I saw a press article about the Greens wanting to break the coalition over puberty blockers at Sandyford. Then later the same day the climate report came out and I was seeing articles about the Greens wanting to break the coalition over climate targets. I wondered if the earlier press article had been a hallucination.

Edit: sorry, I see the OP mentioned one of these hallucinatory articles. I can't keep up!

Edited

Found some screenshots:

The Scottish Greens are revolting
The Scottish Greens are revolting
binaryfinery · 28/04/2024 13:24

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 09:44

Though she completely ignores the importance of the Cass report in this (or even mentions it). It was the Rainbow Greens that called the EGM in response to the NHS stopping prescribing puberty blockers not the environment target as they have been trying to spin since.

I completely agree with this. The coalition collapsed because of the petulant demands and tantruming of TRAs.

I do hope all parties take note of how the TRAs they court will, without hesitation, throw them under a bus.

Rainbowshit · 28/04/2024 13:54

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 28/04/2024 11:58

"Yousaf has thrown the pin and held on to the hand grenade. He is a man who plays Russian roulette with all six barrels loaded." 😂 thank you for the share Ig

Joining the chorus of FFS "not Jenny Gilruth" 😱 that really would be frying pan to fire.

I read something this morning on Stephen Flynn swooping into Holyrood to help but as far as I understand the SNP machinations they can't do that because they worked so hard to keep Jo Cherry out 🤷‍♀️

It was obvious that their attempt to stymie Joanna Cherry becoming FM would come back to bite them in the bum at the time.

Yet another example of the SNP short sightedness and inability to think two steps ahead.

Stephen Flynn is the only one with any gravitas and should be the obvious choice for FM. Aside from JC of course.

binaryfinery · 28/04/2024 14:52

Yet another example of the SNP short sightedness and inability to think two steps ahead

This! It should have been obvious that the self-ID bill they pushed through would inevitably lead to a major scandal which would come back to hold them to account. It was just a matter of time. Not very much time as it happened.

Rainbowshit · 28/04/2024 15:04

archive.ph/esfC

Greens in state of civil war as rebels demand Harvie and Slater go

Greet also in the firing line. Oh to see all three of them gone would absolutely make my year.

Chapman too please.

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 15:22

'[Greer] was accused of cronyism, and centralising power around himself. Accusations of “misogyny" were levelled - but not of sexual misconduct or inappropriate behaviour or language. The accusation centred on claims that he was “significantly more patronising towards women than men”.'

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Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 15:36
shocked philip j fry GIF

The accusation centred on claims that he was “significantly more patronising towards women than men”.'

IcakethereforeIam · 28/04/2024 15:36

There's another longer article by the same journalist. It's a striking omission that neither one mentions the GRR or Cass.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.inside-story-green-rebels-want-rid-leadership/

I don't believe the rebels are any friends of GC women as Ellie Gomersal is name checked and they would support Maggie Personpeeps.

That the Greens are retconning the fallout to be all about the climate target does demonstrate that they realise how toxic gender ideology is to the public, their potential voters.

'It is toxic': The inside story of the Greens in meltdown as rebels demand leaders go

The anger among Green Party rebels is palpable. Some are close to tears.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24283157.inside-story-green-rebels-want-rid-leadership

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 15:57

This is about ACH of the Scottish Lib Dems but is a very good thread by Lucy Hunter Blackman

x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1784569318451052567

BlackForestCake · 28/04/2024 16:07

Anyone replacing Harvie, Slater and Greer in leadership of the Greens is likely to be even more insane and fanatical.

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 16:13

Would that be a good or bad thing?

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 16:14

It'll be fucking Chapman. Who apparently doesn't know what sex she is (not exaggeration, from the horse's mouth).

IcakethereforeIam · 28/04/2024 16:18

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 15:57

This is about ACH of the Scottish Lib Dems but is a very good thread by Lucy Hunter Blackman

x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1784569318451052567

For Beth!? That guy!

I can only see the linked tweet, not the rest of the thread.

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 16:28

This isn't complete as is the main body text and any links (I wasn't sure how I could format photos into a post on here) but -

This deserves some dissecting, as the degree of chutzpah going on here may well be missed by those who have not been following Mr Cole-Hamilton's behaviour closely in recent years. Longjust for all the evidence, but feel free to skip straight to the last tweet for the point.

Mr Cole-Hamilton high-mindedly asserts that "it's time to put the national interest first" and call an election. But what, Alex, has happened that means such a possibility has suddenly opened up? It is - of course - that the coalition has fallen apart. How so?

It's in no small part because of the Greens' reaction to a report into how the NHS should deal with children and young people experiencing distress or discomfort in relation to being male or female (the Cass Report). Why did that report happen?

It happened because the UK government commissioned it, after clinicians, parents and a broader group of women campaigners worked for years to ring alarm bells about what was happening to these children and young people. How has Mr Cole-Hamilton used his voice in Holyrood here?

On 23 April, he asked a reasonable question about how the NHS in Scotland can help improve the evidence base here. But he has not always been so measured in his engagement on this topic.

Discussing SG's decision not to appeal the ruling on the s35 order on the GRR Bill, on 20/12/23, he spoke of "trauma in the legal architecture". His request for meaningful action on "ready access to trans-inclusive healthcare" made no reference to Cass's interim words of caution.

In a speech at a demo against the Section 35 Order in Edinburgh on 19/1/23, he described the debate at Stage 3 on the Bill - where the bill's supporters had to listen to criticism of it before successfully voting it through - as "really dark hours...really dark times".

Other aspects of his judgement in that speech have attracted some comment.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-lib-dem-leader-told-29153124

When the Bill was passed, Cole-Hamilton - this week an advocate of "compromise" and "building consensus" - was one of the first up, with the Greens, to applaud the gallery. It doesn't take much political nous to notice the triumphalism in that gesture.

There were women in tears behind me at that point. There had been interruptions earlier from women in the public gallery. I can't believe any MSP who stood to applaud did so without knowing he was "sending a message" more than one way. Here's his 22/12/22 stage 3 speech in full.

He had brushed aside any possible link between the state telling a 16-year-old they are the opposite sex and the issues raised by Prof. Cass.

And talked about "heat and hate".

His intervention during the debate on amendments two days earlier was to argue for allowing a self-ID in law from 16.

At stage 1, on 27/10/22, he suggested the debate had been "hijacked by those who would question the very existence of the trans community, or who fear and vilify its members and would seek to prevent their access to equal rights."

He was wholly dismissive of potential interactions with the Equality Act, that the court later found it was reasonable to worry about.

On 14/12/22, he had supported the SG in resisting any link between the Inner House judgment in the FWS case and the bill: "The conflation of the issue of women’s safety and the provisions of the bill is sad, worrying and, at times, unhelpful."

Throughout the Bill process, Cole-Hamilton dismissed and, at his worst, cast dark aspersions about critics of the Bill. He was one of the leading non-government MSPs who helped create a climate in which they - we - were written off as hateful and/or foolish.

Neither the court judgment over s35 nor the Cass Report have elicited any hint of regret or reflection at any of his past statements.

There's a further thread that could be written about his rhetorical choices during earlier discussions at Holyrood over, eg, hate crime. Meantime, this one I'm writing for a specific purpose:

Mr Cole-Hamilton only has a sniff at an election because of the tenacity of people he has repeatedly, actively sought to (put most kindly) side-line and dismiss. If he does not, for whatever reason, get the election he wants, he should watch how high his horse gets.

Footnote: when MSPs voted on 16/4/24 for SG to make a statement on the Cass Report, three of the four LDs voted in favour of that (a welcome change from the party's past voting here). Mr Cole-Hamilton, however, did not vote.

The Scottish Greens are revolting
ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 18:31

That article makes it crystal clear that Cass and gender are the grounds that brought and end to the BHA, and will be the end of this government.

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IcakethereforeIam · 28/04/2024 18:35

Yes, this is it in a nutter's shell

Harvie supported the abandonment of the supposedly “legally binding” targets on reducing greenhouse gas emissions but he could not accept children being protected from puberty blocking drugs.

maltravers · 28/04/2024 19:10

That article by MacWhirter is a humdinger.

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