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Igneococcus · 27/04/2024 18:56

I'd rather call an election than being beholden to Salmond.

EwwSprouts · 27/04/2024 19:08

DuesToTheDirt · 27/04/2024 18:05

Presided over by a woman, too. Unforgivable and, to me, incomprehensible.

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She had power and was hoping to line up more for next step. I firmly believe in follow the money.

CaveMum · 27/04/2024 19:27

Nicola was a guest speaker at a Women’s event in Birmingham today, Upfront. I half thought about going until I saw she was one of the headliners.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/04/2024 19:45

IcakethereforeIam · 27/04/2024 18:53

I'm gobsmacked

Pete Wishart, a veteran SNP MP, said: “We cannot give Alba any concessions, because they will keep coming back again and again for more, dragging us down their agenda to places we do not want to go.

Like the Greens, ffs, but less insane!

And I wouldn't trust Salmond to not throw women and kids under the bus.

I wouldn't trust Salmond personally about anything, but didn't Alba come out against the gender reform bill from the start?

Gymnopedie · 27/04/2024 19:53

And I wouldn't trust Salmond to not throw women and kids under the bus.

Quote from Salmond in the Times article:

“A change of direction on identity politics is badly needed, we are assuming Humza has been dragged in this direction by the Sturgeon legacy and the Green coalition.
“We are now going to play grown-up administration in the interests of science and the interests of governing properly as opposed to whatever student politician fad that the Greens have alighted on.”

For now it sounds promising.

lonelywater · 27/04/2024 20:05

EwwSprouts · 27/04/2024 19:08

She had power and was hoping to line up more for next step. I firmly believe in follow the money.

yes. I think that cushy sinecure she thought was going to drop into her lap (UN special rapporteur on genderwang, or some such bullshit) is now firmly in the bin. Oh dear.

CocoapuffPuff · 27/04/2024 20:08
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Poor wee nippy sweetie

SirChenjins · 27/04/2024 20:09

Igneococcus · 27/04/2024 18:47

FFS, could this get any worse?

"He (Salmond) said the “top line” in discussions would be an electoral pact between Alba and the SNP, reviving his party’s Scotland United proposal for an alliance between the three nationalists parties — the SNP, Greens and Alba — to work together to maximise pro-independence MPs."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0d5bae6e-c917-46a6-b839-050980739516?shareToken=b20644ac1c444909461d0741628f48bc

Is Salmond eyeing up the top job again?

TheBanffie · 27/04/2024 21:54

Is this from any other source than Wee Eck? Is it solely him puffing or is are there talks happening?

BlackForestCake · 27/04/2024 22:07

It's kite flying.

Yousaf won't agree to anything Ash Regan, the sole Alba MSP, asks for.

And Regan won't vote to support him in the end.

SNP supporters have been trained to see Alba as like Trump, and Alba supporters support Alba because they think the SNP has gone crap. The last thing they want to see is their MSP keeping Yousaf in office.

So both Yousaf and Regan would be unpopular in their own parties if they made a deal.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 27/04/2024 22:15

SirChenjins · 27/04/2024 20:09

Is Salmond eyeing up the top job again?

As always!

"as opposed to whatever student politician fad that the Greens have alighted on" 🤣

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/04/2024 22:35

SirChenjins · 27/04/2024 20:09

Is Salmond eyeing up the top job again?

That really would be very funny. Watch out, Murrells, Alec's back!

SirChenjins · 27/04/2024 22:51

It’s the kind of thing he’d do! Enter into a power sharing agreement, position themselves as a single independence party, watch as Yousless continues his downward spiral, throw his tartan tammie in the ring, and bingo!

SaffronSpice · 27/04/2024 22:54

Salmond even suggesting a pact between SNP, Greens and Alba shows how dangerous Salmond is. He would definitely throw women under the bus for independence.

Igneococcus · 28/04/2024 06:37

Gillian Bowditch talks about the various power wranglings to keep HY in power that she predicts will go on in her column in the Sunday Times today. It's going to be rubbish. Elsewhere in the Times there's a suggestions that Jenni Gilruth is an early frontrunner to replace him (the other is Kate Forbes). Jenni Gilruth??? Someone make it stop, please.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b341808d-e5ca-4a20-b905-d854d5e3b313?shareToken=bdd493faeb1af7eb8f45a269a5b3aab0

Hopefully Humza the Hapless has bungled his own demise

This Homer Simpson-type character will sap the office of first minister of any authority to which it can still lay claim and he must go

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b341808d-e5ca-4a20-b905-d854d5e3b313?shareToken=bdd493faeb1af7eb8f45a269a5b3aab0

dragonscannotswim · 28/04/2024 07:26

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/04/2024 20:42

No hyperbole here at all!

And this is the hill they've chosen to die on??? Puberty blockers?

Incredible.

And wtf is 'Rainbow Greens'? Do they call themselves that?!

SirChenjins · 28/04/2024 07:36

I take it back - BBC reporting Yousless has ruled out electoral pact with Alba.

On one hand it would be great if he dusted off his scooter and rode off into the sunset, but the calibre of his possible successors is so poor (with the exception of Forbes, but the loons who have the vote would never go for her) that we’re stuffed whatever happens.

binaryfinery · 28/04/2024 08:27

SaffronSpice · 27/04/2024 22:54

Salmond even suggesting a pact between SNP, Greens and Alba shows how dangerous Salmond is. He would definitely throw women under the bus for independence.

Salmond is a moderate and pragmatist politically. He built up the political popularity of the SNP so they became the dominant party. He very nearly delivered on independence. We can never know for sure but I think he’d have been less likely to tie himself to GI when he realised it only really interested a few fanatics and would be out of step with the rest of the population.

Sturgeon was much more of a progressive idealist, hence she tied herself tightly to gender ideology. But she’s delivered on fuck all, maybe this is why she put such store in getting GRA through and that was something the people of Scotland did not want.

Her only real success was excellent marketing of herself. But her main legacy seems to have been slowly squandering the political popularity the SNP gained during the independence referendum and after Brexit.

Overall, I think Alex Salmond was a more successful politician than NS.

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 09:00

Igneococcus · 28/04/2024 06:37

Gillian Bowditch talks about the various power wranglings to keep HY in power that she predicts will go on in her column in the Sunday Times today. It's going to be rubbish. Elsewhere in the Times there's a suggestions that Jenni Gilruth is an early frontrunner to replace him (the other is Kate Forbes). Jenni Gilruth??? Someone make it stop, please.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b341808d-e5ca-4a20-b905-d854d5e3b313?shareToken=bdd493faeb1af7eb8f45a269a5b3aab0

Good god. Jenny Gilruth. Please no.

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SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 09:15

I agree Salmond is a political pragmatist and for that reason would go along with pretty much anything if it got him independence. He was keen to tell voters to vote for the SNP instead of his own party Alba if it won more independence votes, regardless of the SNPs other policies (including GI).

I met him once, he shook my hand and told me an amusing anecdote whilst looking over my shoulder the whole time for someone more important to speak to. That is the same with his politics.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/04/2024 09:17

Igneococcus · 28/04/2024 06:37

Gillian Bowditch talks about the various power wranglings to keep HY in power that she predicts will go on in her column in the Sunday Times today. It's going to be rubbish. Elsewhere in the Times there's a suggestions that Jenni Gilruth is an early frontrunner to replace him (the other is Kate Forbes). Jenni Gilruth??? Someone make it stop, please.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b341808d-e5ca-4a20-b905-d854d5e3b313?shareToken=bdd493faeb1af7eb8f45a269a5b3aab0

Thank you very much for the share token. I enjoyed that a lot. This is how it starts, to tempt others in:

How wrong can you be? Last week I was despairing at the prospect of a Humza Yousaf-led government limping on to 2026 or, heaven forfend, 2031, given the swing needed to prise control from an administration that appears to have a tick-like grip on the nation. Given Yousaf’s disastrous first year in office and the silence of all bar the handful of rebel SNP MSPs led by Fergus Ewing, I couldn’t envisage a scenario in which the lemming-like parliamentary party would challenge the first minister. I had, however, completely underestimated the lemming-in-chief’s propensity for self-destruction. This is a man who, if challenged to a duel, would shoot himself in the foot.

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 09:44

Though she completely ignores the importance of the Cass report in this (or even mentions it). It was the Rainbow Greens that called the EGM in response to the NHS stopping prescribing puberty blockers not the environment target as they have been trying to spin since.

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 09:46

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 09:00

Good god. Jenny Gilruth. Please no.

For anyone who hasn't heard of Jenny Gilruth, she's an absolute fanatic over gender ideology. One of the absolute worst. And she's the Education Secretary who doesn't bother to read important reports.

As Arabella said, please no.

SaffronSpice · 28/04/2024 09:50

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2024 09:46

For anyone who hasn't heard of Jenny Gilruth, she's an absolute fanatic over gender ideology. One of the absolute worst. And she's the Education Secretary who doesn't bother to read important reports.

As Arabella said, please no.

Oh, her 🤬 Thanks for the reminder!

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2024 09:58

'watering down gender reforms, will be deeply unpalatable to SNP members.'

Bowditch has this very wrong. Gender reforms were driven from the top and from the Greens. The membership were never sold on them.

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