Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

I imagine that people who are concerned about women's rights are most likely to vote Labour, given that the Tories have consistently eroded women's rights in their time in government, whereas Labour in power tend to improve rights.

Labour has never been closer to the centre.

Exactly. Who do you vote for if you want to see the left in power?

Don't you mean those who disagree with you?

You compromise. I came to terms with no political party meeting my exact requirements many years ago.

Depending on where you are stood the centre can look far left.

Labour don't even know what a woman is.

Haha.
You know I requested that. I did it because we used to have some great chats about feminism on here and then the board got taken up with trans threads.

Unfortunately noone uses feminism chat and people insist this is the right board for anything "sex and gender" related - which is all feminism.

Miriam Cates is also a very popular politician with GC posters, I think its good that they are informed about all her views not just the ones they agree with.

People can post what and where they like. You don't get to dictate what this board is for and who can post on it.

This thread is clearly relevant to lots of feminists given how busy it's been so I would say it's in the right place.

I assumed self absorbed refered to those Tories who are insisted that niche issues are the most important thing, whilst they permit the country to further decline.

"Left-wing fascism" is pure DARVO. Identity politics under Starmer is hilarious. He couldn't be more centrist if he tried 😂

Well, surely that tells you that the most ardent feminists consider gender identity to be the biggest threat to women's rights, then doesn't it; if not they'd all be over on 'chat'.

I'm sure you could find other places on MM on which you could have the kind of 'discussions' you seek. It's a very big forum.

Nobody requires you to inform them about anything. We can do it for ourselves. We're not Stupid, even if you seem to operate as if we are.

I'd go this one personally

This board has clearly had an influx of people who aren't feminists when "other places" on the Internet have been shut down or become unworkable for them.

To me it is very obvious that the board now hosts a lot of people who aren't feminists and instead are attracted because of their overlaps with GC issues. People like the Christian right, free speech ideologues, "anti-woke" posters.

You can tell because people just use "womens rights" in the context of "TWAM" rather than progressing any actual rights for women.

The MRAs must be rubbing their hands in glee. They tried for years to stop feminism happening on here.

Again, the point of this sub forum is not for general political comment and discussion - unless it impacts directly on the subject of trans ideology and its conflict with women's rights and child safeguarding. How many times do you have to be told? It was you who requested a different board. Well, now you've got one. You could argue with yourself; maybe creating a few alters to argue with as well, if you are lonely in there.

You know the usual name for someone who persists in trying to dirsrupt and provoke on on-line platforms, don't you?

Suggest you contact MNHQ if you are worried. Mind you I'd have to have a crystal ball and be playing a very long game given I've been posting on this board prolifically for over 10 years

So, what's your purpose on this particular sub-forum? Do you embrace gender identity politics, or are you, like most of us here, working to deconstruct the whole nonsense? and if so, how do you square that with continuing to support the Labour party position on the issue?

Yes, and most of the old Labour membership hate that fact. They hate Starmer, and they continue to hate Tony Blair, and like Owen Jones they are leaving in droves. Strangely, though, the one thing they continue to support that is not of the traditional Left is 'Identity Politics' along with the concept of the 'trans child' - most likely out of ignorance and because they tend to dismiss the issue as of no relevence.

Which is why many of us are now here, no longer willing to vote for Labour - and and so have been spoiling our ballots. My Labour MP has refused to meet with her constituents on the issue, and continues to carry the Mermaids logo at the top of her twitter account. You think I'm going to vote for her?

When you sever old loyalties you find that you view things in a different way - and that the old tribal hatreds and compulsions lose their power. I'm relieved by that.

I'm a GC feminist and have been for years. I'm old school and think there is a social system called "the patriarchy" that exploits women for their reproductive labour whilst upholding the interests of men.

And I don't "continue to support" Labour. I joined recently because I like Starmer, I've followed his career for years since he actually gave a shit when he was DPP and put in place things to support women and children who were victims of sexual violence, and improve prosecution rates. That's what I see as "safeguarding", not pearl clutching about fake news about children identifying as cats in the right wing press.

His position on balancing trans and women's needs is in line with my views. Protect single sex spaces for biological women where it's necessary for dignity and safety. Support trans people to be able to live and present how they want without discrimination, violence and having to disclose their personal info to all and sundry.

I mean I feel like I've said this about eleventy billion times on these threads.

To be honest I think my support for Labour probably indicates they have moved away from their core voter base because I'm very centrist.

Irony alert!

This board is not for you, clearly.

This board is for those who have been shut out of discussion and speech elsewhere ( for years) on the issue of trans/gender ideology and its impact on women's dignity, rights and protections and on child safeguarding. That is why it has the title of 'Sex and Gender' and not 'General Political chat'.

Kilroy?? Seriously? Ex UKIP, sacked from the BBC for being a racist?

I was actually an adult in the 90s and remember Springer and Kilroy well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/jan/09/pressandpublishing.broadcasting

Also I don't want anyone cancelled. I'm doing the online equivalent of laughing in Cates face, is all.

And you miss my point entirely......

Are you trying to "cancel" jess on FWR?
😂

Well, we're not "most people'". We see ourselves as leading the way in bringing this issue to public consciousnes and to parliamentary debate ( and with some success).

I'm not sure why you are so bothered by us doing this 'irrelevent' thing here on this forum - that you need to post in such an adversarial and, frankly, naive way.