Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

Being cancelled by the BBC is a badge of honour in some circles

Your point is entirely made up.
Rees Mogg is not cancelled and not going to be cancelled. In fact I think he loses the Tories votes by not being cancelled, because he's so out of touch and says such stupid things.

I don't have to engage with your projections of what you think I mean.

And it can also look 'far right'.

You seem to have a hard time with alternative definitions and persepctives on what constitutes 'women's rights'. it's like you think there is only one take on that -and its yours.

Who is the "we"? Is there some kind of board royalty posters need to be aware of? Or a movement leader?

Womens rights is a pretty standard phase and I'm not the person who has narrowed the definition to conveniently exclude most feminism

It is you who sounds like the ideologue -with a catalogue of correct and true beliefs.

When you sever old loyalties you find that you view things in a different way

You can’t sever loyalty with something that no longer exists. When Thatcher closed the mines and decimated the manufacturing base an entire class of working people was swept away. It was no accident that they were traditional labour voters. The hatred of the Tories may not be tribal but it appears to be growing every day.

Is "laughing in people's faces" the sort of politics you espouse? Doesn't sound like the sort of society I'd favour myself, quite frankly. Yet you do a lot of of it, with your laughing emojis and general contemptuous tone.

I remember Tory rule going down the tubes in Majors time and the excitement/optimism when Blair got in infected many.

That eventually all went wrong.

As you suggested of yourself earlier, I don't require lectures on what happened in the 1980's. My father was made redundant and we had to move to the other end of the country for work. He was a shop steward in an engineering union, and Labour voter.........but that was over 40years ago....and yet many are still trying to keep that alive with their 'Still Hate Thatcher' t-shirts and their Tony Blair 'Red Devil Eyes' banners. Still going in about the Iraq war, and hating on Israel.

I live in Liverpool and we still have lots of old style Militant bullies and people who practice intimidatory politics and nurture hatred. Hatred is a toxic dead end, and it breeds intolerance. It positions anyone who disagrees as some kind of evil. I long ago grew tired of all of that.

Did it? Apart from the Iraq war, which Howard admitted afterwards he’d also have gone into and which was voted for by the Tory party, what went wrong?

Well I didn't realise you demanded the splitting of the feminist board.
Not worked out for you, my heart bleeds.

Centrist listen to every point of view before deciding, and they review in the light of facts and changing circumstances. They are not dictatorial, dogmatic, authoritarian. They do not shout down others or twist their words.

And as for free speech which you keep exercising by coming onto this board to criticise,insult and sneer at; free speech is a cornerstone of a democracy. I support absolutely free speech within the law. That means democratically agreed law not your law.

Getting back to this conference. This is the story of what happened and I thank and respect those responsible.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-natcon-brussels-was-saved-from-censorship/

I also condemn and despise the sniggering of front bench Labour MPs. I will never vote for a party which plays fast and loose with free speech.

https://twitter.com/_MrsBetSlocombe/status/1780288758970994775?t=_edt5zDOSUKqSrCb0JOiPA&s=19

My point was about the audience reaction when confronted by the ludicrous opposition to mixed race marriage. The fact that it was the Kilroy show was entirely irrelevant.
I think the fact that he was allowed to speak led to a better outcome and we could all see society had moved on. That would not be allowed to happen today.

You are tedious hard work.

Brown I think, people just didn't warm to him.

I also think people get fed up with same old and think change is good.

Someone said once all political lives end in failure. The American rule of two terms and out is possibly sensible. Obama was running out of steam. It's the nature of folks to complain after a time.

Haven't RTFT.
But from what I have read, there seems to be an election coming....

@NoWordForFluffy

Imagine that you're making up that people who are concerned about women's rights are all going to vote Tory when the evidence from this board is that most are politically homeless and have no desire to vote for either of the main 2 parties, or the lesser few common alternatives!

This popular lie from the left is getting ridiculous.

Where did I say in the scenario the person would vote Tory? A reminder: "It seems a dangerous practice, particularly now. Imagine if you vote on the promise of single-sex bathrooms, but the National Living Wage is lowered to well below poverty levels, so you cannot afford reasonable food and housing for your family any more? And you have no recourse for complaint? This is about voting on a single issue. It could be for any party.

So it didn’t go wrong then. And not enough people fancied a change for Cameron to form a majority government. There were a few days in 2010 when Clegg could have gone the other way. Shame he didn’t.

Hasn't Clegg done well, he knew when to exit as did David Miliband.

Both have amazing post political careers.

@RebelliousCow

Well, we're not "most people'". We see ourselves as leading the way in bringing this issue to public consciousnes and to parliamentary debate ( and with some success).

Finally, a clear answer. Thanks for letting us know who you are, although we already knew.

I’m not sure I’d describe pulling the pin out of the grenade, blowing the country up and then running away as doing well but I guess we’re all different.

Well I haven't a scooby doo who these we are still

Its almost certain that labour will win the next election, so on the face of it, its odd to get worked up about what a few marginalised conservative MPs are doing. Especially on a feminist section of a parenting site.

The problem is Starmer supports trans ideology, and its likely that the new intake of MPs will, too. If labour dont abandon their plan to allow men to have easier access to female passports, the removal of single sex spaces and reduced safeguarding will continue to be disscused here.

I think there are 'GC' people who are GC because its a way to critise the tories, now its looking like being GC means critising a labour government, they arent so keen for the debate to contine here.

So they are trying to make GC discussion difficult by associating it with the far right.

Clegg is on a massive salary had a 10m bonus from META so he's still pulling strings behind the scenes I expect

Its easy to forget hiw bonkers it gets round here at election time.