Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

[AdamRyan]

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

You seem to be arguing with your self.Alternatively known as shadow boxing. You have created an imaginary enemy - and you position everyone who posts here - who counters any of your social media lifted views - as that enemy. You mistake rational argument, debate and counter-point for endorsement.

Could you possibly be any more patronising?

Most people people are pretty vacuous and unaware when it comes to the major issues of the day. They don't read mainstream media articles, watch TV news programmes, and you only have to watch your average TV quiz show to see how shallow most people's awareness is of politicians, even those on the front benches of either party. I suspect most people now get their 'news' entirely from social media echo chambers and workplace/playground gossip.

I'm trying my best to be as diplomatic as possible. I don't like to be wilfully rude.

@NoWordForFluffy

If people prioritise safeguarding in choosing how they vote, then they'll choose a party that's most-aligned with their priority. That's what floating voters do.

If it happens to be a right-wing party seemingly offer the better safeguarding options, maybe other parties need to check their safeguarding provisions to see if they can appeal to those voters.

It seems a dangerous practice, particularly now. Imagine if you vote on the promise of single-sex bathrooms, but the National Living Wage is lowered to well below poverty levels, so you cannot afford reasonable food and housing for your family any more? And you have no recourse for complaint?

But you do have your own bathrooms, I suppose.

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How on earth did you reach that conclusion?
If you equate people like Cates with moderate conservatism, it's not surprising you think I'm far left 😂

Imagine that you're making up that people who are concerned about women's rights are all going to vote Tory when the evidence from this board is that most are politically homeless and have no desire to vote for either of the main 2 parties, or the lesser few common alternatives!

This popular lie from the left is getting ridiculous.

OK. I suggest you have a listen of Jon Ronson's podcast episode about The Great Reset. It's very interesting on that.

Imagine thinking that opinions on an obscure board in a corner of MN is indicative of the entire electorate! Despite all the attempts to stir up the culture wars Labour’s stayed resolutely ahead in the polls for over a year now.

What makes you think peole are going to vote for the Tories? Because that seems to be your starting point for debate. Many people who post here have been spoiling their ballot in recent years.

(In Brirtain we refer to 'toilets' not bathrooms - Bathrooms have baths and/or showers in them and are to be found in people's homes)

Then what was posted is even more nonsense then, isn't it, as in your eyes, nobody is voting in relation to women's sex-based rights?

I don't think you're far left. I'm probably further left than you. I'm just less annoying with it.

I think to be honest it's impossible to have a debate on here due to the rampant double standards, tendency to assign people to an outgroup and complete inability to acknowledge other perspectives.

This isn't " an opinion board". It is a place for women who have been made homeless from elsewhere; and who have been censored from discussing issues around transgender ideology and the ways it compromises women's integrity, dignity, rights and protections.

This board has been very important for many women from all walks of life for many years - and it has provided them with a meeting place to share and discuss well sourced information; to follow court cases etc.

If you just want opinion exchange on the issues of the day - then there are better boards on which you could do that. the 'Feminism chat' thread was created on the request of those who didn't want to do the above - and just wanted to have argy bargy over politics in general.

It was you who posited that it was a large factor in voting behaviour. It’s hardly nonsensical to point out that it’s not for the majority of voters.

No, I didn't. I countered the argument that people who are concerned about women's rights are going to vote Tory due to their apparent safeguarding option. Because that's lazy left thinking.

We know that! Most people are oblivious.

We are here to help to shape and influence the debate going forward, and so far we've been pretty successful thank you very much.

There has been a growing public awareness of the issue of trans ideology and its negative impacts on women and children thanks to peole who have posted here, and elsewhere, in recent years

How long have you been a Labour party member and voter if you don't mind me asking? Many here have/or had been Labour members for decades, and active in left wing type issues and causes.

I live in a very resolute Left wing city - where being a socialist is a badge of belonging. Most of the activists here hate Kier Starmer - because they think he's a sell out. In fact they consider him to be 'right wing'. Labour has rowed back on most of its former commitments. It has had to do that to appeal to people who might not normally or naturally vote for them.

Women's rights and child safeguarding are not 'culture war' issues. They are fundamental - and in fact it was traditionally the Labour party that would campaign on these sorts of issues, though the Left in Britain has more recently become subsumed in American style 'progressive', intersectionalist and identity politics......that have nothing to do with bread and butter class based issues. and, in fact, this shift has alienated much of Britain's traditional working class vote. Labour had become the party of middle class, city based ,university graduates talking about 'privilege' and waving Palestinian flags.

I’ve been a Labour voter since I was 18 @RebelliousCow. That’s 52 years so you could have spared us both the lecture. There isn’t much of the traditional working class left any more - Thatcher saw to that and Blair finished the job with the boom in the graduate population. He had the foresight to understand that the better educated people are, the greater tendency they have to the left.

So you agree that Labour is not the party it was. It just represents entitled self absorbed graduates. Hence their move to identity politics which is if anything left wing fascism.

Self absorbed? How is it self absorbed to want decent public services, a growing economy, a functional NHS and a benefit system that protects the sick, old and disabled? Left wing fascism my arse. Labour has never been closer to the centre.

The idea that political parties do not change is ridiculous. Even the Conservatives are not what they were a generation ago. The Spectator had an interesting article contrasting Cates and Thatcher. Well there were many differences. Cates is a real pull to a kind of Christianity that the UK has historically rejected.

NatCon is driven by religious ideas from fundamentalist Christian thought. That is a very new thing for the UK. Cates does interviews with a minder to make sure she keeps off the tough stuff!

By arguing with myself I find that I end up with a more rational discussion than is often possible when arguing with those whose minds are closed.

Oh. Hmmmm.

That ought to be of benefit to the Tories then shouldn't it?
Or is it possible that the major issue of the day in most people's lives is the government created cost of living crisis?