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BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 17:58

I'll need to look back on Hansard at what was said before I started watching but a particularly memorable moment was Wes Streeting making lots of sense (although he did say "trans child" near the end) about the importance of the report and Anneliese Dodds nodding along.

Swiftly followed by Victoria Atkins welcoming people who had changed their minds and hoping that they had the good grace to recognise the hurt that they had caused, including to women in their own party.

She also spoke about the hurt of parents of children and young people.

Lots of use of the word watershed and a very clear articulation of the scale of harm. I don't think I heard the word scandal to describe it but it was described pretty much as such.

Still going on now...

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BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 18:00

Miriam Cates: I have no doubt that what happened... will go down as one of the worst medical scandals of our generation

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EasternStandard · 15/04/2024 18:04

BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 18:00

Miriam Cates: I have no doubt that what happened... will go down as one of the worst medical scandals of our generation

i think it will too

BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 18:11

Dawn Butler!!!

Thankfully swiftly dealt with.

To be fair, it sounded like she realised her own comment was ridiculous by the time she got to the end of it.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:12

Just heard Dawn Butler comment that Cass ignored all but 2 of the research papers.🙄

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/04/2024 18:14

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:12

Just heard Dawn Butler comment that Cass ignored all but 2 of the research papers.🙄

Apparently greeted with derision!

lonelywater · 15/04/2024 18:16

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:12

Just heard Dawn Butler comment that Cass ignored all but 2 of the research papers.🙄

that would be the same Dawn "babies are born without a biological sex" Butler? You would think after saying that you would retire to your basement to subsist on fried egg sandwiches, never to be seen in public ever again.

Datun · 15/04/2024 18:17

I'm still finding it a little difficult to believe this is all being aired in Parliament.

It's extraordinary!!!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:17

Nic Fletcher asking for a public enquiry, for safeguarding to be reintroduced in schools and people to be held accountable.
Minister states she want to focus on implementing Cass first, not an enquiry.

WhyHuntSnails · 15/04/2024 18:17

lonelywater · 15/04/2024 18:16

that would be the same Dawn "babies are born without a biological sex" Butler? You would think after saying that you would retire to your basement to subsist on fried egg sandwiches, never to be seen in public ever again.

Cockerel eggs, presumably?

EasternStandard · 15/04/2024 18:17

This is great

So many saying what we have been

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/04/2024 18:18

Tonia Anaotozzi from Labour calls for cross party working on the issue and calls out chilling nature of the ideology

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 18:20

For those not able to follow live. Some live tweeting:

Hannah Barnes AT hannahsbee
Health Secretary Victoria Atkins making a statement on Cass Review on gender identity services for children says: "professionals were not asking the right questions of themselves or of their patients"

Praises Hilary Cass and her team, who have "meticulously unpicked what went wrong, what the evidence actually shows, and how to design a fundamentally different service that better serves the needs of children."

Atkins also thanks "those who raised the alarm and contributed to the review". This includes, "the clinicians who spoke up against their peers to blow the whistle about what was happening at the Tavistock clinic, even though it risked their careers"…

…the journalists, academics and activists who listened to their stories and investigated further, even when they were derided as bigots and transphobes"...

"...the parents who were just trying their best to support their children, but were so badly let down by a service that vilified them for questioning whether the interventions offered were the right ones for their children…"

and "the young people themselves who have shared their experiences, including those who have gone through the pain of de-transitioning, only to find that the so-called ‘reversible’ treatments they were offered are not in fact reversible."

Health Sec say NHS "was overtaken by a culture of secrecy and ideology that was allowed to trump evidence and safety."

Warning for private providers, operating both overseas and in the UK: "Nothing is off the table" when it comes to closing any existing loopholes... and CQC asked to look again at 'age thresholds' for licensing conditions of private clinics

Shadow Health Sec Wes Streeting thanks Cass for 'thoughtful' way she has undertaken her work too

Oh - and a rather surprising name-check for me and other journalists who have followed this story...

"What has emerged in the Cass Review is a scandal... it is scandalous that medical interventions have been made on the basis of shaky evidence...perhaps the worst scandal of all is the toxicity...& that it has required investigative journalism to prompt this review taking place"

This report, Streeting says, must provide a watershed moment for children's health care and 'for the way our society and out politics discuss this issue.'

Even in an election year, this should be the one issue where MPs should "down tools and work togther". Tribute paid to Sajid Javid for commissioning the Cass Review and says politicians should "put children's health and well being above political debate"

Dennis Noel Kavanagh AT Jebadoo2
Streeting "the loophole for private providers of puberty blockers is sparking a black market, can I underline our support for further regulation"

"The ideology he and his colleagues espoused was part of the problem" - stinging response from sitting Secretary of State for health to her shadow as she calls for accountability for Labour's part in promoting gender ideology.

Jackie Doyle Price MP rightly pointing out that whatever politics the sitting and shadow secretary of state have across the dispatch boxes, this happened under a conservative government. She's right and it's a mark of how good she is a parliamentarian to say this as a Tory MP

Disgraceful now to hear SNP spokeswoman (last seen pictured at a protest with a sign saying "decapitate terfs") pointedly not commit the SNP devolved government to supporting Cass. Then the hide to bang on about conversion despite Cass pointing out such legislation is homophobic.

Secretary of State not having this, rightly, says the SNP devolved government and the Labour one in Wales should respond to Cass.

This is a great debate on the Secretary of State for Health's post Cass statement but I guess I'm going to have to wait for JCKC, Neale Hanvey or Rosie Duffield to mention homophobia. This was a homophobic medical scandal. Gay people must not be erased in all this.

Dr Caroline Johnson MP rightly calls for accountability for the adult services who refused to cooperate with Dr Cass. She's right to do so, we need accountability on the NHS defying elected ministers and they must not get away with this.

Secretary of State robustly says she expects compliance with Cass and calls out ideological malpractice. Makes clear ideology has no place in the NHS. Open warfare now on gender ideology. Finally.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:20

Joanna Cherry talking about levels of defamations from Stonewall etc and asking minister to support movement for public enquiry to avoid future political capture. Minister makes a positive comment about JC's work.

So good to hear so many politicians finally able to speak out freely

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 18:20

Dennis Noel Kavanagh AT Jebadoo2
Rosie Duffield now, begins by quoting Hannah Barnes and citing extreme activists, some in political parties. Slams Stonewall law.

"This is the moment for apologies and humility" says Secretary of State of campaign of harassment against Rosie Duffield.

"What happens at GIDS will go down as one of the worst medical and safeguarding scandals of our generation" says Miriam Cates MP

"This scandal happened because too many adults put their desire for social approval above the welfare of children" - Bloody well said Miriam Cates MP

Can I beg any MP in the chamber now please, please, please mention the institutional homophobia of GIDS. This was mainly young lesbians medicalised and staff joked "soon there will be no gay people left". This should be said.

Dawn Butler MP repeats misinformation regarding 100 studies not being including in the Cass report. This is a lie and attracting derision in the chamber.

Secretary of State responds robustly to misinformation from Dawn Butler MP "Some campaigners are trying to build up a head of steam to say this report is flawed, it is not"

Sammy Wilson MP condemns the "vile campaigns" against those raising questions over the Tavistock and calls for the purging of the "transgender lobby" from gender medicine.

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 18:20

Dennis Noel Kavanagh AT Jebadoo2
Tonia Antioanazzi MP calmly and clearly laments the lack of data in this area, the chilling effect of ideology and calls for cross party working together on the issue of gender. Bloody well said Tonia.

Secretary of State playing a blinder here, all over the Cas review and on top of her brief. Impressive and game changing moment. Gender ideology is now under heavy, sustained and cross party attack.

I don't wanna be "that guy", but could we please have a lesbian or gay male MP speak to this issue now please.

NOTE THE BOLD.

BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 18:21

OMG that dig...

"The reason I'm going to be so robust on this is because I believe it. I believe it" (did she say "unlike others" at the end... I couldn't remember the exact words).

Anyone who uses the phrase "trans child", who may end up in a senior role in government, should be questioned carefully to make sure that they do believe the report and will be robust on implementing it.

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Datun · 15/04/2024 18:21

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:17

Nic Fletcher asking for a public enquiry, for safeguarding to be reintroduced in schools and people to be held accountable.
Minister states she want to focus on implementing Cass first, not an enquiry.

Yes, she sidestepped that.

lonelywater · 15/04/2024 18:21

wonder if any of the Koolaid gang will say anything at all? Surely even Osbourne must realise the gig is up?

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 18:21

Dennis Noel Kavanagh AT Jebadoo2
Joanna Cherry KC finally speaks for lesbians and gay men, calls out Stonewall, Mermaids, Pink News, Scottish Equality Network. Calls for public inquiry regarding institutional capture. "Never again should ideologues or science deniers take control of our public institutions". Bloody well said JCKC.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/04/2024 18:22

Can’t quite believe this is all being said and the fact that Streeting is there and agreeing is significant

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 18:22

lonelywater · 15/04/2024 18:21

wonder if any of the Koolaid gang will say anything at all? Surely even Osbourne must realise the gig is up?

Any LDs yet?

EasternStandard · 15/04/2024 18:23

Good response to LRM

BonfireLady · 15/04/2024 18:24

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/04/2024 18:17

Nic Fletcher asking for a public enquiry, for safeguarding to be reintroduced in schools and people to be held accountable.
Minister states she want to focus on implementing Cass first, not an enquiry.

Good catch.
Hmmmm. Make the schools' guidance statutory, including the important recognition that not everyone believes in gender identity, and implement Liz Truss' Bill then maybe an enquiry can wait. Until then, safeguarding remains an unaddressed priority.

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