Debate happening in House of Commons: Victoria Atkins on fire

[BonfireLady]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/15/rishi-sunak-david-cameron-downing-street-general-election/

they absolutely won't give up. These nutters are going down with the ship and it won't be pretty.

It was Nick Fletcher from memory.

It's so stark when you realise how many people have been subjected to unevidenced care. Obviously it's possible/likely that not all 9000 went on to take any kind of medical intervention but until the follow-up data is examined, nobody knows the scale of the harm. And that's just the children under GIDS. There will also be many young adults in the 17/18-25 bracket whose fate will be known later when the review of adult services starts.

I have a feeling that someone has jumped the gun there. In the Cass Review report, 9000 seems to relate to the number of children and young people who went through GIDS. Which won't necessarily be the number who were given puberty blockers.

15.66 NHS England in its letter has committed to realising the ambitions of this study beyond the life of the Review. As a single integrated health service, which for the period in question had one provider of specialist gender care for children and young people, the NHS offers a world leading opportunity to look at outcomes for c.9000 patients and add to the evidence base.

A confident and assured performance and grasp of the issue by Victoria Aitken. Annelise Dodds looking quite uncomfortable sitting there next to Wes Streeting ...and the usual cheerleaders and apologists for Mermaids et al, making a lot of sound and fury, Including my own MP Kim Johnson. She's just so aggressive. So good to see Joanna Cherry, Miriam Cates, Rosie Duffield having their moment.

Thanks. I take the point that we can't assume they all got pbs. But that is an enormous number of children. Shocking.

Sorry but I thought that VA failed to grasp the total failure and scandal that the GIDS/Tavi has been. I watched nearly the full parliamentary proceedings - and was left just annoyed with all the paltry homilies about doing the best for children etc etc
When we are talking about the worst medical scandal in our history.
Children were going into the Tavistock system and ending with their genitals cut off/ chemically mutilated.
Only one MP (that I heard) said out loud that it was a scandal. And that those responsible should be facing consequences.

Most of them girls and most of the girls same-sex attracted.

I think they’ve already been getting their back up plan ready by adding “intersex” to the rainbow acronym, that started last year and they’ve tried pushing “trans and intersex” inclusion policies.

Absolutely - the public need to be reminded that 15-20 years ago these men would have been called transvestites

But even where medication has not been one of the outcomes of intervention, the child hasnt been supported with the MH issues that clearly underline the presentation. That in itself is harmful, a child who then grows up, albeit unmedicated, off into the world of hating themselves, calling themselves different names every year, lurching from MH crisis to MH crisis.

Most usually with a history of trauma and ASD (either undiagnosed or diagnosed)

On a side note, because I havent read the report I suppose there is no focus on other aspects of gender self ID/sex self ID because another thing that really concerns me is crimes being reported as being committed by women when they are committed by men (presenting as women)

Up on Hansard now:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-04-15/debates/AFE3A39A-3333-4790-AE30-776A474188C4/CassReview

Thank you for bringing this debate to our attention. Never thought I'd hear such a considered debate on this subject. Loved Minister's response to the member from Brighton.

Me neither.

I think the entire movement is driven by men's sexual drives.

And they require children to legitimise it. Baby trans.

Without that, or the threat of suicide, they're gonna run out of road.

So depressing that so many gay and lesbian people have cheered gender ideology on. Whoever tried to link it with the (historic?) oppression of gays and lesbians pulled a very neat trick for a while there.

Mention of the end of Mermaids, goodnight to Stonewall too?

I’ve just watched lots of snippets on Twitter. Very emotional to hear it all.

I’m not a Tory but thought Victoria had a fantastic grasp on the facts and seems a very competent person to be in charge of implementing Cass. I do hope she makes great progress before the next election.

Also loved the way she put LRM in his place 😂

Yep.

I think in another thread someone said 790 or something like that. It was in response to butterflyhatched joining the thread.

They can be transvestites as was the label before. Some homosexual, and some heterosexual transvestites. Can't remember the man who set this all out on AGP but he was right.

Cheers

I've been watching the BBC drama about the girls in Rochdale and I've been struck by some parallels. Many people were reluctant to see what was happening in Rochdale because they were afraid of being called racist, in the same way that people have been afraid to speak up now for fear of being called transphobic bigots. It's good to see some of these barriers are being broken down and more MPs are speaking out.

They added the "I' years ago. Thread from 2019 although its use was common before then and people with DSD/VSD had already repeatedly asked to not have their complex medical histories used as a political football.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3749453-Gay-male-trainer-on-LGBTQI-rights-at-work-says-not-to-use-the-word-Lesbianism

https://mrkhvoice.com/index.php/2019/12/18/what-is-dignity/

Listened to the whole thing.
A bit disappointed there wasn't much about the reasons children might identify as trans - they skirted around porn a mental health too much for my liking. And a bit too much on the "toxicity of the debate" - I did snort at Atkins bringing up Twitter as evidence.

I'll be interested to see what policy is brought forward out of this because I still can not get my head round how it can be fixed without a structural reform of governance and a big injection of cash

I am mildly optimistic.

Sceptical about Wes Streeting. We should not let him brush under the carpet that he worked at Stonewall...in education.

I've Googled but not found a comment on Cass from the leader of the opposition...

We'll see what the next few months hold. TRAs are firmly enmeshed into the various branches of the NHS and other health and social care organisations.

And what happens after the general election is anyone's guess.