Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

But my point is, it's not like it was even original or innovative. They did the same thing everyone else was doing, roughly when everyone else was doing it, and it turns out it was a bad idea everywhere.

This is about Sadiq Khan's policy on single sex refuges in London. The article is two years old however so perhaps he's changed his policies since then?

Also from what I understand from friends in London, VAWG services have been quite significantly cut back since the mayor was elected?

Obvioulsy I am not supporting Khan, but all he is repeating is the Labour Party mantra which has always avoided saying that women are entitled to single sex services (and are in fact legally entitled to them). He is such a party hack I would expect him to in any way step out of line!

I dont think the Mayor has any funding options for DV or RC services, they are all funded through different post of money. He just gives little hand outs to media friendly groups who are "helping the community".

re Joan Smith, I think she was treated appallingly, and again pretty much in line with how Labour sidelines or even eject women who dare to have independent thoughts.

But it has to be said many were astonished that she was appointed to the post in the first place as she doesn't have a background or any real knowledge of the work of the VAWG sector.

And like a lot of women who may have contributed to feminism via writing often has a theoretical approach rather than evidence based.

Dont forget she was one of the "prominent" ie journalists knew her name, who helped scupper the plans to include women (sex) under the hate crime laws, but some well known (as names) women started campaigning for it to be included because it wouldn't lead to any improvement. Whereas the majority of women at the grass roots wanted it included because it confirms that women have equal status.

And it was noticeably when the new Scottish Hate Crime Laws came into forcs SNP ministers were able to point with smug satisfaction that "professional" feminists had said hate based crime in relation to someones sex shouldn't be included.

Maybe the problem is that too many women are still operating under the sexist notion that women have to be polite, engage and respond to someone who is constantly bothering them.

If I'd said what I really thought, I'd have been deleted and likely banned!

And I seemingly can't help myself when there is so much wrong in posts. 😳

Indeed - I expect both the lib dums and labour have put a big Terf sticker on my address.

I do agree OP. It's also worth remembering as a general point (not relating to any particular poster) that if someone's posts have a continued anti woman bias, relentlessly criticise other women for amongst other things wrong think, repeatedly describe views and women as right wing bigots etc, then those posters are likely not the women, feminists, mothers, sisters etc that they claim to be (as Mumsnet likes to remind us)

If it quacks like a duck and all that..😂

But this is a very busy board and it's inevitable that with so many posters, people sometimes get triggered by bias and want to wade in.

Its partly all the time and energy. Even if I have not seen a thread for a day I will take the time to read through, and maybe for those responding it real time it makes sense, but reading through you just think please let it stop.

This is going to be yet another thread that might have reflected developments, thoughts from Labour supporters, but will in fact be like getting lost in a bad dream that you cant wake yourself up out of.

In terms of these "diaogues" who is getting greated satisfaction, those replying whilst thinking it is like hitting your head against a brick wall, or the person who gets the thrill of knowing someone has fallen for the ploy.

Could we form a cold shoulder coalition?

It's also worth remembering as a general point (not relating to any particular poster) that if someone's posts have a continued anti woman bias, relentlessly criticise other women for amongst other things wrong think, repeatedly describe views and women as right wing bigots etc, then those posters are likely not the women, feminists, mothers, sisters etc that they claim to be (as Mumsnet likes to remind us)

Very much this, yes. And I DO have a poster in mind.

Cold shoulder from me going forward.

Cold shoulder from me going forward.

In the absence of a block poster function, me too.

Women first, party politics second well actually a hell of a long way down!

You are so right, even this page has been so much more of an interesting and informative read. Don’t wrestle with pigs etc.
Cold shoulders forward.

I had a good but unproductive discussion with a Labour canvasser last week. I told her I'd voted Labour all my life but that, as things stand, would be unlikely to do so again because of their stance on gender ideology and their attitude to anyone who disagrees.

She listened and was respectful, regretful. even sympathetic, but had nothing to offer to reassure me we were going to get anything further than we're getting now.

Oh and she said it had come up a number of times on doorsteps.

It was before Cass came out which is a shame.

I had an almost identical experience with the Labour canvasser who knocked on our door.

I saw on another thread a man called Anthony Watson had donated a lot to Labour, he is a supporter of gender not women's rights. I wish I'd saved the link, but I t seems labour MPs like money just as much as the Tories do. I'm going to look for the link now

He paid for Labour MP Dawn Butler to go on a "fact finding" jolly to America a few years ago with GLAAD. The below is forensic about Watson's support of particular figures and the party in general:

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

here's the link with a the influence Anthony Watson has had o. Labour policy.
im always shocked at how little it's possible to buy someone's morals for.
£30 k and a trip to a ' conference' And they'll say what you want.
Even Angela Rayner allegedly skipping capital gains tax , it wasn't a lot compared to how much she earns, but a Labour member not wanting to pay tax. Tax is what pays for schools and hospitals and benefits.

Yes I've just posted the same

There are probably Mumsnet threads about it from the time as well.

Specifically about the US trip Watson paid for for Butler:

https://order-order.com/people/anthony-watson/

Top Corbynista Shadow Cabinet member Dawn Butler lived it up on a £14,000 nine-day junket to Los Angeles paid for by a Blairite guru whose company was incorporated in the Cayman Islands. Butler, who has gained something of a reputation for enjoying the high life since taking a job in Jeremy Corbyn’s top team, jetted off to LA last month, where she mingled with the stars on the red carpet at the GLAAD Awards.

You can see how often Watson features in the register of members' interests here

www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11447

Meanwhile millions of dollars of American money flow into shady think thanks that are right at the heart of government policy making and noone even raises an eyebrow.

Or a racist misogynist donates £15million and that's fine too.

I'm not a Starmer bot. That is very rude.

When you started the thread, did you do it for a debate or did you do it to push an anti-Labour message into your echo chamber?

Very revealing isn't it?

Is their any information on the bloke himself? Why is he so invested in pushing trans? How has he made his money?

I wonder why they are willing to pay so much to have MPs spout gender ideology, there's got to be big business behind it