Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N2SY4VZ/

Google is helpful.

You may not like it, but lots of gay people are very sympathetic to trans people. Probably because they have grappled with societies gender based explanations.

@IcakethereforeIam good point . I just wish a journalist would get their teeth into it, or even a ITV. drama department

Anthony Watson is the president and chief operating officer of Uphold Inc, an online financial services company whose HQ is in California.

Possibly just your run-of-the-mill misogynistic techbro genderwooster.

It explains a lot about Butler's insane views but I am not sure that she is the brightest person in the world either.

Watson funds other Labour MPs too, see my Guido Fawkes link.

And he's a generous donor to the party in general.

I actually think that political parties should be government funded. I think the German system funds pro rata with the number of votes a party receives, but I can see that has its own problems.

The refusal to engage and listen to women defending their rights is definitely misogyny.

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@Merrymouse they'll say anything for money. They say the Tories are venal but so are they

I kind of wish I thought it was all about money. At least that's a motivation I could understand. The trouble is, I think some of them genuinely believe in gender ideology. And I'm talking about people in senior positions, not nut jobs on social media.

The trouble is, I think some of them genuinely believe in gender ideology

Yes, it’s faith based, so it bypasses reason. I was taught Biology by a (Cambridge educated) nun who, at the time, was forbidden by the Catholic church to accept Darwin’s theory - so she didn’t (we did evolution in our own time, from the text book). Similarly I was taught Physics by a nun who believed in creation as laid out in the Bible. They both held their understanding of science in parallel with their beliefs, a position of permanent cognitive dissonance that apparently caused them no problems.

Humans seem to need religion, and GI has conveniently filled a gap in our agnostic society.
Can see parallels with Catholicism .

A gendered soul waiting to be inserted into a body at birth. transubstantiation of the flesh, martyrdom, and a catechism - TWAW.
Finding enlightenment through bodily suffering.
It's got a lot of religious aspects.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Yesterday 15:00

+ + Well, I could tell they wished I'd not mentioned it. 🤣 + +

I had one canvasser reverse back down the garden path when I started challenging him about his party's appalling record on all this.

Wasn't it Yvette Cooper who said it was no problem and that nobody had ever mentioned it to her on the doorstep. Rapidly followed by a number of women contradicting her, saying that she'd told them TWAW wasn't up for debate and to educate themselves?

Anyway, there's a decent Observer article on Cass today:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/14/cass-review-gender-identity-services-children-young-people

Just how badly wrong things went at the gender identity development service (Gids) is evidenced in the fact that Cass felt she had to explicitly state that, while some people argue that clinical care for children should be based on a “social justice” model, “the NHS works in an evidence-based way”. That should never have been up for debate: as the British Medical Journal argued in its editorial on the Cass review last week, it is deeply unethical to provide untested medical interventions for children that lack evidence of benefit, yet are life-altering and come with potentially very significant harms.

Quite how the fact that it needs to be stated that a medical service works, or should work, in an evidence based way, almost beggars belief.

I presume it's "the script".
Respond to all questions about women's rights & child safeguarding with "You're the first person to mention it"
Utter clowns.

I wouldn't be at all surprised.

If it's in the script then it proves that nobody is the only one mentioning it.

I'd really love it if anyone who campaigns for Labour could confirm whether there is a script or not, and ideally leak the script on the internet.

In all of this I have become increasingly aware and disappointed at how many gay men happily throw women under the trans bus. Wes Streeting for one. Will he, is he, genuinely rethinking this? One truly hopes so despite Streeting being formerly employed by SW. I’m still cautious as I don’t see many other Labour MPs coming forward. Doesn’t Raynor have a good TW friend? It’s all become so personal for them.

It's a long, long time since I was canvassing for Labour but not only was there no script, you were also instructed not to get into long conversations, let alone arguments. The purpose was strictly to record potential voters so you could target the 'don't forget to vote' campaign on Election Day. A lot might have changed since then though.

Its funny how expressing one's opinion can lead to have your post deleted.

And yet at the same time be told that the point of a thread is for poster's to express their own opinions.

But as this is the second time I have had a post deleted for expressing an opinion that someone didn't like, I will have to decide whether to risk a third deletion and then be shut out of FWR.

Or decide that the deletions are in fact a badge of honour as it indicates that were near the truth so had to be hidden.

@MrsOvertonsWindow said

I do agree OP. It's also worth remembering as a general point (not relating to any particular poster) that if someone's posts have a continued anti woman bias, relentlessly criticise other women for amongst other things wrong think, repeatedly describe views and women as right wing bigots etc, then those posters are likely not the women, feminists, mothers, sisters etc that they claim to be (as Mumsnet likes to remind us)

Yes this is what my post was about, but has been deleted. So stating an actual response to posts is not allowed, so effectively MNHQ is telling us we have to play by the rules the rules of others that we are finding disruptive and alienating.

I believe we have somebody in our midst who loves hitting the report button.

Were you told you'd been deleted? I was deleted on another thread (no idea what was in the post!) and wasn't told. I don't think all deletions are equal on the run up to a ban.

I believe we have somebody in our midst who loves hitting the report button.

Just imagine if we all reported to MNHQ when someone on a thread told you they didn't agree with what you are saying - or even that you dont understand how it is relevant to a thread.

MNHQ would be over whelmed.