Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

It's an ideology which says women don't have the right to any single sex spaces, sports, or even a word for themselves. That their safety, dignity and successes are unimportant.

I think the only other explanation for not rejecting it is that you're trying very hard not to think about it.

I am anti gender ideology. But misogyny is not the right word to use for people who support it.

And Kemi Badenovh has been a shero on this. I don’t need her to pipe up immediately, she may feel it’s more appropriate to leave it for her colleagues in health.

Why not? What part of this ideology is not misogynistic?

The GRA will be a sad little rump of nothing if sex is confirmed as biological in EQ10 and single sex spaces/services (when undressing or otherwise vulnerable) are made mandatory rather than optional.

No need to repeal the 2004 legislation if subsequent legislation nullifies it. There are loads of old laws that haven’t been specifically repealed but have become irrelevant as society moves on.

I’m sure we have entire threads talking about whether GRA repeal is necessary tho, so I’m going back to catching up on podcasts, radio shows and tv segments re: Cass (great to see Helen Joyce on the BBC at last!)

Bollox it’s not.

An ideology that defines out of existence the class most in need of protection?
An ideology that says women’s rights come second to those of trans people? That sees ‘woman’ as a category to identify in and out of at will? That girls shouldn’t have to be women, and men can be the most sexist image of woman imaginable?

And the Labour Party have said in the most definite terms that they WILL NOT support or indeed enact any change to the EqA to have sex confirmed as biological.

The GRA is a hideous misogynistic and homophobic piece of legislation and yet the Labour Party and dear Sir KS have stated more than once that they are immensely proud of it.

😂

Proud of it?

It's a nonsensical piece of legislation which fails to define any of its terms and conflates sex and gender, which is very similar to other nonsensical legislation in the majority of other western countries, which was enacted over 10 years before most Labour MPs were first elected to parliament.

Dodds last year in the Grauniad:

The Gender Recognition Act was passed by Labour in 2004 but Dodds said that “now, in 2023, we have a much better understanding of the barriers trans people face”. She pointed to the legislation passed by Tony Blair’s government, and the 2010 Equality Act under Gordon Brown, as among Labour’s “crowning achievements”

I'm a traditional Labour supporter. Up until a few years ago, save for a bit of tactical voting, I had voted Labour in every national and local election. However, to suggest that they aren't worse than the Tories on this is bizarre. Yes, the problems of the last few years have happened on the Tories' watch, but this is more to do with their hands-off approach to involvement in both public and private services - including moving the public to the private, which inevitably gives governments less direct influence.

At the same time senior Labour politicians have called relatively mild groups such as WPUK 'hate groups', barred such groups from official conferences, passed multiple motions at a local level up chastising GC orgs, sought to expel GC women from the party etc, etc. Yes they are now shifting, very slowly, and I'm glad, but they're not there yet as recent statements from all over the party in response to Cass make clear.

I completely understand why people are sceptical at best at what they would do in power.

Our Labour council went so far as to pass a motion that TWAW and TMAM the other year! Idiots.

I agree it is a nonsensical piece of legislation @MissScarletInTheBallroom, however, the current crop of Labour MPs laud it to the skies and state how proud they are that a Labour Party put it on the Statute Books. I make that point to show how very, very, very, unlikely it is that the current Labour Party will do anything to mitigate the adverse impact it has had and continues to have on women, on the contrary they are talking about making it even easier to obtain a GRC. And they won't touch the EqA either they have said so all they mutter about is safe spaces for women ones that will no doubt include the special men version of women with their shiny, easily obtained piece of paper that no-one can ask about.

If it were true, they wouldn't need to pass a motion saying it.

Indeed!

I raised it on the doorstep the other week, along with many other things I was annoyed / concerned about.

Steady on @NoWordForFluffy
You know no one is talking about it on the doorsteps. Maybe you were pissed and imagined it.

Has KS actually said anything about Cass? Adam has convinced me KS is gutless as well as powerless.

https://reaction.life/cass-made-streeting-backtrack-but-where-is-starmer/
But the party is still planning to reform the Gender Recognition Act to make social transitioning easier, something the Cass review warns against.How seriously does the Labour leader regard women’s rights and the safeguarding of girls?We need to know before we go to the polls because there are senior members of Starmer’s team who remain transgender zealots.

Well, I could tell they wished I'd not mentioned it. 🤣

I've not seen anything which is interesting. Although Sunak doesn't seem to have said much either bar a small quote I saw in a Times article. Both seem to be letting their Health Secretaries battle it out. Perhaps that's a strategic decision as at the heart of it is a medical scandal.

I haven't read the full thread so sorry if this has already been mentioned but if London is an indication of what things will like under a Labour government it doesn't inspire much confidence for the protection of the most vulnerable women.

This is about Sadiq Khan's policy on single sex refuges in London. The article is two years old however so perhaps he's changed his policies since then?

https://unherd.com/2022/02/has-sadiq-khan-sacrificed-women/

Also from what I understand from friends in London, VAWG services have been quite significantly cut back since the mayor was elected?

I had one canvasser reverse back down the garden path when I started challenging him about his party's appalling record on all this 😂

🙈🤣🤣🤣

You can see the fear in their eyes. It's most amusing.

My house is probably blacklisted now, sadly, so I won't get to do it again. 😩