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News commentary on the Cass Report

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HagoftheNorth · 10/04/2024 07:29

Thread to record where and when to find tv/radio commentary on the Cass report, so that it is easy for people to find it on catchup. If you’re listening/watching and it comes up, please record the channel/show and the time

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OvaHere · 13/04/2024 19:22

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 19:17

In November 2014 searches for transgender out did searches for anorexia and have remained that way since"

That is very telling.

Fenlandia · 13/04/2024 19:33

I wonder if the next issue of Private Eye will cover Cass properly. It's had its moments but on the whole not really dug too deeply into a broad and deep medical and social scandal.

Fenlandia · 13/04/2024 19:59

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 09:27

Matthew D'anconda and another Matthew making this point here:

x.com/matthewdancona/status/1778820424425525748?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA. (Video)

And Helen Saxby in the critic also drawing parallels

thecritic.co.uk/resisting-the-gender-goliath/

The New European podcast with Matt D'Ancona is very heartening - D'Ancona is very honest about not getting it until 2018 and talking to some of the high profile GC women.

It's not that long ago that the New European published a ridiculous article about trans issues written by someone who was apparently a lawyer (someone on this board will remember the piece I mean! It was so bad it had to be deleted).

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 20:05

I've never heard of if the podcast but have of him.

Posting this here

As RedToothBrush said on another thread, things are about to get interesting

https://x.com/observeruk/status/1779167056472260907?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/schools-in-england-and-wales-using-gender-toolkit-risk-being-sued-by-parents

(Observer)

Schools in England and Wales using ‘gender toolkit’ risk being sued by parents

Leading barrister warns that the kit – used to support gender-questioning children – is likely to be in breach of equality laws and could violate pupils’ rights

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 20:24

archive.ph/2024.04.13-191540/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/13/cass-report-teachers-bullied-trans-campaigners-damian-hinds/

The debate must now turn a corner”, Mr Hinds said. “That is why we have made clear that teachers must not feel bullied or pressured into allowing decisions which can have serious long-term consequences for children in their care.”

RethinkingLife · 13/04/2024 20:25

Fenlandia · 13/04/2024 19:59

The New European podcast with Matt D'Ancona is very heartening - D'Ancona is very honest about not getting it until 2018 and talking to some of the high profile GC women.

It's not that long ago that the New European published a ridiculous article about trans issues written by someone who was apparently a lawyer (someone on this board will remember the piece I mean! It was so bad it had to be deleted).

Sam Fowles. Thread about the embarrassing article:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5005216-how-a-loophole-in-uk-law-helps-out-anti-trans-activists

How a loophole in UK law helps out anti-trans activists | Mumsnet

^The Equality Act is being used to attack trans people while protecting those that do so^ ^a loophole in the law which allows GC activists to publicl...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5005216-how-a-loophole-in-uk-law-helps-out-anti-trans-activists

nauticant · 13/04/2024 20:42

Last weekend Sam Fowles gamely went on to Free Speech Nation and Andrew Doyle wiped the floor with him.

RethinkingLife · 13/04/2024 21:04

nauticant · 13/04/2024 20:42

Last weekend Sam Fowles gamely went on to Free Speech Nation and Andrew Doyle wiped the floor with him.

RMW thank Fowles for SF's performance and they express their friendship for each other.

News commentary on the Cass Report
News commentary on the Cass Report
TomPinch · 13/04/2024 21:27

A view from NZ - which will be of interest due to events in Auckland last year.

NZ Herald (slightly right-leaning)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-government-wont-say-if-it-will-follow-uks-move-to-ban-routine-use-of-puberty-blockers-as-treatment-for-trans-youth/XM4LR3XIVZF2JAKJU74OOELSOU/

RNZ (state broadcaster)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/514044/ministry-of-health-taking-the-time-to-get-it-right-on-puberty-blockers

NZ has recently replaced a Labour government with a conservative coalition containing politicians who are extremely critical of trans issues. The main consultative body regarding trans treatment has already nailed its colours to the mast by accusing the report of excluding relevant expertise. I very much doubt it will be followed in NZ unless the government apply pressure.

I wonder whether the report will affect public debate in NZ over time.

Puberty blockers are given to transgender children and teenagers to delay the physical changes that come with puberty. Photo / 123RF

Trans young people: Govt won’t say if it will follow British move to ban puberty blockers

Puberty blockers are being restricted overseas due to issues around safety.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-government-wont-say-if-it-will-follow-uks-move-to-ban-routine-use-of-puberty-blockers-as-treatment-for-trans-youth/XM4LR3XIVZF2JAKJU74OOELSOU

WarriorN · 13/04/2024 21:37

Interesting- I'm sure the ripples will happen around the world in time.

LoobiJee · 13/04/2024 21:44

OvaHere · 13/04/2024 21:36

Brendan O' Neil at his acerbic, scathing best.

I particularly like this line.

'Zarah Sultana, the Labour MP for Zarah Sultana' 😁

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/13/why-the-trans-lobby-is-so-allergic-to-debate/

I liked:

Remember when Amnesty focused on improving the lot of prisoners of conscience? Now it bitchily subtweets feminists who don’t think people with dicks are women – we all know that’s who they’re referring to in their haughty handwringing over people who ‘revel in spreading disinformation’.

Fenlandia · 13/04/2024 22:06

RethinkingLife · 13/04/2024 20:25

Thanks. Embarrassing for him

Datun · 13/04/2024 22:47

OvaHere · 13/04/2024 21:36

Brendan O' Neil at his acerbic, scathing best.

I particularly like this line.

'Zarah Sultana, the Labour MP for Zarah Sultana' 😁

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/13/why-the-trans-lobby-is-so-allergic-to-debate/

I love the way Brendan O'Neill writes. And I'm bloody glad that on this, at least, he's on our side.

However...

It seems they believe that the medical sacrifice of children and the obliteration of women’s freedom of association is a small price to pay for the continued propping up of their narcissistic fantasies.

... i'm gonna have to say well duh

RethinkingLife · 13/04/2024 23:04

Interesting article about OCD that might spark many thoughts about comparable phenomena.

The story had started when, aged 15, I was suddenly bombarded by relentless, maddening doubts about core aspects of my identity: my capacity for violence and abuse, my physical appearance, my sexuality, whether I could trust my bones not to break. Graphic, unbearable thoughts and images started looping in my mind, thousands of times a day. I had no language for my devastating anxiety, or for my shame, so I kept it all a secret for 12 years.

The scene we were filming that day was based on the euphoric moment in my 20s when I first discovered that my thoughts were typical symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), and that there were others out there battling this common enemy. “Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Fuck. It’s OCD. I’ve got OCD!” said actor Charly Clive as she read a list of symptoms from the medical textbook in her hands, giving voice to the astonishing clarity and relief that diagnosis can bring in a bewildering mental-health landscape.

Regardless of the labels I’d been given over the years (I’d previously been diagnosed with depression and anxiety), doctors had always framed it in the same way: illness. This was due to the received wisdom that mental disorders are diseases of the brain with organic, biological root causes; and to the medical language that infused charity campaigns and the media. It was also due to the ideas explicitly promoted by professionals who treated me. One of my CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) therapists said that OCD is primarily caused by a misfiring amygdala, a structure in the temporal lobe of the brain. Another said that their trademarked therapy could “rewire my brain” in six weeks.

The turning point came a few months before filming, when I visited Trinity College Dublin to interview neuroscientist Prof Claire Gillan for a mental health charity podcast. Gillan was studying feelings and behaviours across a variety of psychiatric diagnoses. I was accustomed to softball media engagements about fighting stigma, and expected more of the same. I asked what she had discovered.
“OCD is not a biological reality,” Gillan said, very matter of factly. “That’s what the data increasingly shows.”
A lump rose in my throat. I fumbled for a response. Hadn’t researchers proved that OCD brains are different biologically? (Some neuroimaging studies show increased activity in various cortices.) “Abnormalities in these regions are by no means exclusive to OCD,” Gillan said. “A great many disorders show the same kinds of brain changes.”
I didn’t know this. I thought my brain shared the same abnormalities as everyone else with OCD and that these were the root causes of our obsessions; that we had brains that were measurably different from the brains of people with, say, ADHD or anorexia. I thought this was the definition of “official” diagnosis. Gillan explained that, on the contrary, psychiatric diagnoses are not based on biomarkers, they are subjective constructs.
I felt torn with nerves for the rest of the interview. I wanted to dismiss what I’d heard, and yet felt compelled to learn more. Afterwards, I started reading, and was incredulous to discover innumerable similar assessments. Apparently, Prof Allen Frances, who literally wrote the book on diagnosis as the lead editor of the fourth edition of the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the handbook widely used by doctors), had said psychiatric diagnosis was “bullshit”. As he told Wired magazine in 2010, “These concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/i-was-the-poster-girl-for-ocd-then-i-began-to-question-everything-id-been-told-about-mental-illness

I was the poster girl for OCD. Then I began to question everything I’d been told about mental illness

When I sought help for crippling invasive thoughts, I was told I had a disease like any other. But I wasn’t able to recover until I understood the fallacy at the heart of mental healthcare

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/i-was-the-poster-girl-for-ocd-then-i-began-to-question-everything-id-been-told-about-mental-illness

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/04/2024 07:04

OvaHere · 13/04/2024 21:36

Brendan O' Neil at his acerbic, scathing best.

I particularly like this line.

'Zarah Sultana, the Labour MP for Zarah Sultana' 😁

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/13/why-the-trans-lobby-is-so-allergic-to-debate/

"Here’s the thing: if you live in fear of the truth, then it’s possible your life is a lie."

🎯

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/04/2024 07:38

BonnyBo · 14/04/2024 07:28

You should be able to read that if you open the link on your phone and then immediately switch to airplane mode.

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 07:57

@RethinkingLife I read that last night and thought it was extremely pertinent to the whole situation.

I also feel I have been lucky to have been treated in a similar way to how she's described she should have been treated in the past.

But I was also lucky to read a particular book based on the human givens approach which is focussed on environmental factors and number of years ago.

There's another woman who's researching anxiety in teens at Oxford university. She also writes really well with great insight. I'll try to find her

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 09:19

A senior NHS researcher at one trust told me the opposition to taking part in an uncontroversial methodology to inform better outcomes came not from the board but from some clinicians in their service, and this was unheard of in other parts of the NHS.

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