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Final Report Cass Review now published

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2024 02:10

Dr Hilary Cass has submitted her final report and recommendations to NHS England in her role as Chair of the Independent Review of gender identity services for children and young people.

Download from https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

Final Report – Cass Review

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report

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StealthMama · 10/04/2024 10:51

Katy Montgomery on twitter having meltdown, claiming the Cass report to be corrupt....

I can only imagine how horrifying it must be to read in black and white the details of the sham of care that this person has undergone, he spewing the vitriol in every direction.

peanutbuttertoasty · 10/04/2024 10:53

TroutRunner · 10/04/2024 10:33

Yes! I find this terrifying!
I recently met a GP in a social setting, and the subject of trans health came up (I wasn’t the only TERF there, there was quite a conversation).
I felt that trans health as TRAs want it puts trans people at risk, as there is no reference to their sex, only their gender, so invitations to sex based screenings may be missed, pregnancies may be missed etc. The GP was angry at this and adamant that trans people are whatever they say they are, and should be treated as such (he wasn’t Adrian Harrop - there are more like him!). The subject of the Cass review came up, and his stance was that whatever it reported he would be sticking to his guns and not changing his approach, and that he wasn’t alone.
I would hope that in light of the Cass review that personal opinions won’t have any place against well researched evidence.
In education I’m not sure as an institution that it’s robust enough to take the knocking that doubling down to ideological nonsense could cause.

What is WRONG with people? How can so many professionals have taken such leave of their senses and education? I don’t get it at all! There is no evidence base for it, how can they defend it so staunchly?

Jackiebrambles · 10/04/2024 11:04

@mrshoho your post made me feel emotional, massive well done to you and your daughter, I hope she continues to grow and feel better with your support.

I too have learnt so much from reading the caring, measured, clever and witty posts on this board. The women of mumsnet are magnificent.

Igmum · 10/04/2024 11:04

Thank heavens it is so clear but yes, there are too many zealots still in the system

Jackiebrambles · 10/04/2024 11:05

Rainbowshit · 10/04/2024 10:07

This is the most shocking part to me.

They knew. They damn well knew.

I thought I wasn’t able to be shocked further to be honest, but reading that they stopped recording sex is utterly mind blowing. My god!

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 11:14

theilltemperedclavecinist · 10/04/2024 10:18

The Cass Review came a result from whistleblowers challenging power from institutions and from grassroots activism from women.

They can fuck off with this argument. Once again - reality.

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2024 11:16

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

Aye, you keep telling yourself that pal.

EsmaCannonball · 10/04/2024 11:18

peanutbuttertoasty · 10/04/2024 10:53

What is WRONG with people? How can so many professionals have taken such leave of their senses and education? I don’t get it at all! There is no evidence base for it, how can they defend it so staunchly?

We're encouraged to think of the medical profession as dispassionate, or even heroic, but history is littered with examples of doctors doing terrible things for ideological reasons. Think of the family doctors and hospital staff all over the Third Reich who happily filled in the paperwork that would send their patients, mostly children, to the gas chamber. They believed they were doing a societal good. The medical profession can attract people who believe they are saving the world but exactly what they think that entails can be very scary.

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2024 11:18

The Scottish Government seem determined to ignore all this evidence and continue on with this medical scandal. I genuinely think this will be part of the downfall of most political institutions in Scotland.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 11:19

CorruptedCauldron · 10/04/2024 10:32

Re the feeble attempts to “both sides” this issue. Gender-critical women have NOT contributed to any so-called toxicity.
We never created a climate of fear. We didn’t cancel people or threaten to physically harm or sexually assault them. We didn’t wear masks, bang drums in police horses’ faces, punch elderly people, swear at babies, or carry placards saying “decapitate trans rights activists”. We just argued for our right to define women as females, as a reality-based sex class and not a magical feeling in someone’s head. We called for the preservation of single-sex spaces for reasons of safety, dignity and privacy. We wanted fairness in women’s sports and other competitive arenas. We argued for the safeguarding of children, and for them to be protected from unnecessary medical interventions.

Gender-critical women have been perfectly reasonable from day one. You can’t “both sides” this unless you have the receipts.

Re the bullshit attempt at 'both side' my post...

No comment needed.

Thanks to every other MNetter.

Final Report Cass Review now published
RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 11:23

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2024 11:18

The Scottish Government seem determined to ignore all this evidence and continue on with this medical scandal. I genuinely think this will be part of the downfall of most political institutions in Scotland.

Disagree.

When's the election?

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2024 11:28

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 11:23

Disagree.

When's the election?

Next Scottish Parliament elections are May 2026.

Why do you disagree?

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 11:31

Waitwhat23 · 10/04/2024 11:28

Next Scottish Parliament elections are May 2026.

Why do you disagree?

Cos they are going to get a shock at the general and things are going to be legally increasingly dubious for them going forward.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2024 11:32

Just wanted to put Transgender Trend's detailed and informed response on here. Stephanie Davies-Arai has been a relentless critic of what's been done to children in the name of transactivism. TT commissions numerous professionals to share research and offers a platfform for parents and young people to speak . Well worth a read:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/cass-review-final-report/

Cass Review final report - our statement - Transgender Trend

The Cass Review final report has been published. We thank Dr Cass and her team for all their methodical and careful work to produce an extraordinary document that will have influence worldwide. In its breadth and scope, Dr Cass has produced a world-lea...

https://www.transgendertrend.com/cass-review-final-report

MrsMurphyIWish · 10/04/2024 11:43

peanutbuttertoasty · 10/04/2024 10:20

There needs to be serious scrutiny of schools and teachers unions next. Alarming to say the least that their response is to double down. Keeping secrets from parents should be illegal.

I hope so.

I’m a teacher and it is my school’s policy to call students by their chosen name and pronouns, with or without parental consent.

I’ve anonymously reported it to the DfE and Ofsted. We had an inspection in the last year and was graded Outstanding. I doubt (sadly) anything will change.

InnCognito · 10/04/2024 11:50

I'm by turns furious & sad. The damage some people have done, and the likes of OJ still retweeting the more loopy of the TRA responses.

From a personal perspective delighted to see the recommendations for care for 17-25 year olds.

Datun · 10/04/2024 11:50

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2024 11:32

Just wanted to put Transgender Trend's detailed and informed response on here. Stephanie Davies-Arai has been a relentless critic of what's been done to children in the name of transactivism. TT commissions numerous professionals to share research and offers a platfform for parents and young people to speak . Well worth a read:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/cass-review-final-report/

8.48 More specifically, gender-questioning young people and their parents have spoken to the Review about online information that describes normal adolescent discomfort as a possible sign of being trans and that particular influencers have had a substantial impact on their child’s beliefs and understanding of their gender.

isn't this something that Helen Joyce is looking into?

Looks like every avenue TRAs use to get to kids will be in the firing line.

BusyMummy001 · 10/04/2024 11:58

Have had a word vomit on another thread, so won’t repeat here - but am feeling quite emotional today now that the report is finally here. It’s a bit bloody late for my teen and peers, but hopefully will contribute to a sea change in the approach to supporting children and young people with (RO)GD, a sea change that I hope will have global as well as national implications.

Hope the judge in Tickle v Giggle takes time out of their day to read this and give his head a little wobble too.

FinallyASunnyDay · 10/04/2024 11:58

I am ploughing through the report.

It is actually fascinating, even if, like me, you have been reading voraciously on the issue since being peaked. The breadth of evidence considered is astonishing and it is summarised in extremely accessible language. Recommend !!

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 12:13

Point 73

"rigid binary stereotypes are unhelpful"

In relation to parental attitudes

Is this a dig as Susie Green?

Final Report Cass Review now published
RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 12:29

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 12:13

Point 73

"rigid binary stereotypes are unhelpful"

In relation to parental attitudes

Is this a dig as Susie Green?

Tbh I have thought there have been a few criticisms of Mermaids roll in the report ithout singling Mermaids out. Mermaids as it was, WAS Susie Green.

It's avoiding placing blame. That's for the Public Enquiry

OK2023 · 10/04/2024 12:29

CaptainWarbeck · 10/04/2024 08:32

In addition, finding out that the NHS records gender over sex is absolute madness. How on earth do cervical/breast cancer screening letters get sent out correctly?

Can anyone expand on this? Anyone in medical profession perhaps? It’s a very good question and I really want to know the answer

TroutRunner · 10/04/2024 12:52

EsmaCannonball · 10/04/2024 11:18

We're encouraged to think of the medical profession as dispassionate, or even heroic, but history is littered with examples of doctors doing terrible things for ideological reasons. Think of the family doctors and hospital staff all over the Third Reich who happily filled in the paperwork that would send their patients, mostly children, to the gas chamber. They believed they were doing a societal good. The medical profession can attract people who believe they are saving the world but exactly what they think that entails can be very scary.

The medical profession (and other public services - policing, teaching, social care etc) seem to be full of people who don’t question guidelines and are therefore very susceptible to ideology.
I don’t mean this as a criticism - if public services were full of individual thinkers the whole thing would be anarchy. On the flip side though we’ve had a decade or so of gender ideology taking a real hold because many of those in positions of authority cannot see beyond what they’re told.

Abeona · 10/04/2024 12:53

EsmaCannonball · 10/04/2024 11:18

We're encouraged to think of the medical profession as dispassionate, or even heroic, but history is littered with examples of doctors doing terrible things for ideological reasons. Think of the family doctors and hospital staff all over the Third Reich who happily filled in the paperwork that would send their patients, mostly children, to the gas chamber. They believed they were doing a societal good. The medical profession can attract people who believe they are saving the world but exactly what they think that entails can be very scary.

Today I have an awful itch to contact a former friend (a doctor and a lesbian) who discovered in GI the perfect combination of SJW virtue-signalling possibilities, career advancement and the public attention that she craved. She went from being a bored GP who resented dealing with older people and their creaky and unsightly bodies to a TQ+ heroine, surrounded by TWs gazing adoringly at her. I'm tempted to send her a copy of the Cass report and ask her if she still thinks I'm a hateful bigot.

She isn't the only one. I hope the Cass review will have given pause for thought to the head of my local paediatric service. She's a lesbian in thrall to GI who has argued with me over the years that sex is a spectrum. As one of the most gender-non-conforming women I know, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she has her own struggles on this issue.

I also knew two lesbian GPs who embraced GI very early on and have behaved maliciously towards colleagues and friends who are gender realists. Three of these four refer to themselves as being ND. One talks about her autism.

These days I'm very careful around medics.

MalagaNights · 10/04/2024 12:56

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 09:35

Next step:

The school's guidance needs completely updating to reflect observations.

It needs to be statutory

It needs to be embedded in "keeping children safe in education," the statutory framework for safeguarding children in education, citing online influences, porn, sexual abuse etc

Currently there's a whimsical phrase that says being lgbtq isn't a safeguarding issue in itself. This was used by TRAs at the neu to pass those ridiculous motions.

Cass means a divorce of the T from LGB in kcsie.

It means no more concept of a "trans child."

It means that indications by children of trans identity is flagged as a safeguarding issue

Yes to all this now ^

I think the draft school guidance was written knowing the content of Cass.
The referenec to no social tranistion at primary etc.

It now needs to be finalised and made statutory. Schools and unions need to be forced into line.

If Labour are supportting Cass are they going to support tthe school guidance?

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