Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

I agree and I'm pretty sure I've come across them before.

I suggest you speak to the women and girls who have been raped and assaulted by transwomen. Their lives have been dramatically altered by trans perverts.

@Nextdoor55 no one gets to earn the right to refuse to explain themselves when asked for an explanation of what you support. It's unreasonable to expect people to not question or challenge you.

I'm a supporter of animal rights. I'd happily explain to you exactly what I support and why.

It's truly astonishing how many people can have this kind of reaction and experience explained to them, and still go 'Nope. Not as important as validating men's fantasies about being a woman'.

I'm so sorry you went through that.

There's no clinical evidence that on balance transitioning is beneficial.

I don't believe its great from a physical longevity point either ?

But don't the trans activists on here keep telling us that trans people do have those rights?

What is this continual nonsense declaring that gender critical people "hate" trans people? It's so unbelievably juvenile.

I remember telling my mum she "hated me" because she wouldn't let me go out til all hours when I was 14.

There's no hatred at all. Just a genuine concern, backed up by solid statistics, that born men being in female spaces presents a risk to females.

Have third spaces! I'll help you campaign for them!

I've been sexually assaulted. And I know a man when I see one. Even if he has long hair, has taken hormones, shaved his facial bones and had his dick chopped off.
Mens presence when I am in a vulnerable state of undress distresses me.

If third spaces don't placate transwomen, knowing the discomfort their presence in female only spaces produces, then you have to question why...

I'm 45 and a total supporter of women's rights.

I think in the case of some posters there is this forced narrowing of the focus to toilets. This is a weak arsed discussion limitation tactic, and it has been repetitive on this thread so far.

No it's not. The side effects are at a very high level for surgery and there are harmful side effects to hormones and that's one of the reasons the euphoria of transition is believed to wear thin after time.

Again another inconvenient truth that no one wants to tackle.

I was in the loos in John Lewis at the weekend. A ladies loo, but with floor to ceiling doors. I felt a bit light headed because of my delightfully heavy peri period. While I was in there I did worry that if I'd fainted, no one would have seen me.

I don't want unisex floor to ceiling cubicles, it's not safe. I want single sex toilets with gaps at the top and bottom for safety, should any woman or man need it.
And unisex toilets for those who don't care.
Again - I would happily help the campaign for this.

God, I'm so full of hatred, I'm not sure how I sleep at night.

Just to be clear, do you believe that any male person with a trans identity should be free to access all female single sex spaces if they want to?

Is that what you are saying?

And can you evidence that trans people are the ‘most targeted’ group in the UK, please ? Because I would like to see the evidence for this because it seems that those declaring this are using statistics from South America and North America where many trans prostitutes are attacked because of the nature of prostitution in those regions.

Or the reports include misgendering which renders the definition of violent crime effectively meaningless. Particularly in the light of the past 10 days and the hate crime situation in Scotland.

So, please can you provide those statistics.

Er, you're talking to women who are far more educated than you appear to be on this. This patronising shite really won't wash with most intelligent adults any more. This isn't 2016. And you clearly haven't read the thread or any of the questions on it. You're just parroting what you've chosen to believe, for your own reasons. Because it's much, much easier to smear us and lie about what we believe than face up to what you've actually supported.

I've read plenty of books thanks. I've talked to (and crucially listened to) many people who identify as trans. I find transactivists, and particularly parents who have 'transed' their kids (often because they were either terrified they were gay which they saw as "not normal" or have been terrified by a pernicious and false ideology that tells them that kids will commit suicide without it, which goes against all the actual evidence) to be one of the most narrow-minded, bigoted groups of people in recent years outside of religious fundamentalists. They are very similar. Belief and enforcement over fact, evidence and freedom.

You haven't got the first clue what we actually believe and why. Not a scooby. You are parroting crap because for your own reasons you feel you have to. You don't even know who you're arguing with because you can't face the truth. I'm pretty sure you have your own reasons, but it's delusional crap. And the fact that it is isn't going to go away, I'm afraid. It's going to get bigger and bigger in the next few years because the facts are with us, not you. Mantras and false accusations are not going to cut it anymore, whatever activists have told you. You are WAY behind the times here. And as I've said, are helping send all our rights back at least half a century. Some of us have the critical and analytical capacity to see that. And some clearly do not, for their own reasons.

I'm a millennial and I support women's rights to single sex spaces.

I'm sceptical of the new trans umbrella term which basically means cross dressing men can use women's spaces as they please and women can't do a thing about it. I don't think these are 'trans rights', these are male liberties.

I can't understand anyone who doesn't see that. Give your head a wobble.

There's no parallel between being gay and being trans. Trans ideology makes a mockery of homosexuality, in my opinion, as much as it makes a mockery of being a woman.

There is a parallel between trans beliefs and those people who are white but dupe others into believing they are of African heritage, because they 'feel' that way, e.g. this lady who identifies as black but admits being born to white parents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

What do you think the age correlation is between people accepting Rachel Dolezal as black? Are the young more gullible than the old? Let's discuss.

Dear God 🤦🏼‍♀️ Is this the best you can muster when asked a simple question, @Nextdoor55 ??

LOL. Your misogyny shines through everything you write.

Course work essay?

The most remarkable thing about this debate is how, after more than 100 years of sacrifice and struggle to get women some of the rights they deserve, all a man has to do is put a dress on and he can pretend he wasn't a member of the most privileged of the two sexes throughout human history. Even in become trans, his narcissism and privilege shines through.

Oh dear! Age might have something to do with it. The young are gullible and impressionable.

Many of the women here, standing for women’s rights have been here for a long time, many have looked after trans people that aren’t trans identified anymore. We were emotionally blackmail ad infinitum, insulted and threatened. We have read lots of books, some have even wrote them. The research that has gone in many of the treads over the years can put some universities researchers to shame.

For me puberty blockers is not a grey area, it’s a no go zone.

Im sure many people that might fall under the trans umbrella are themselves tired and bored of the fanatics that have driven this agenda about special sparky rights.

Checking in to see if anyone has expanded on these 'trans rights' that they declare to support. No such luck by the looks of it. I'll wait. I could take a stab at guessing but then I wouldn't want to be accused of being presumptuous.

I don’t believe there are any wishful rapists sitting at home just waiting to be allowed into a women’s bathroom to commit their crime.

You're very naive if you don't (want to) believe that perverts and paedos are planning to exploit unfettered access to women's changing rooms and the women and children within them.

You don’t know them. They go to a different school.

35 and very pro single sex spaces

From the many placards I’ve seen, Transgender people want Human Rights. What that means is anybody’s guess, but I think we’ve got them already on account of being…Humans.