Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

tue Whole post was about older people tolerating less . They do . Saying it is not ageism . I’m not taking anyone’s rights or refusing anyone enything or even judging . Simply stating examples

Nope just I don’t believe the majority of men are going to rape women.

Well no. They aren't. Why would it need to be a majority for you to want to minimise the risk though? I can't remember the statistics of how many women have experienced rape or sexual assault, but it's a LOT. Is it the same few men doing it all? Are you aware that a higher proportion of transwomen prisoners than of male prisoners in general are in for sexual offences.

In fairness to GoonieGang, she is saying that although she herself would not mind sharing with a man claiming to be a woman, she doesn't expect other women to - single sex + gender neutral is what she espouses like most of us.
And as for GG's DSC, we can just wish them well and leave it at that - like many women who claim to be men, the DC sounds sensitive and empathetic about others' feelings and what spaces/facilities they use. GG and the adult child have found peace. It doesn't have to be logical, because no policies are being set. It's just their personal relationship.

@ForCoralFox

I find it interesting that for a group that is supposedly so against labels, you have so many of them and no only get upset when mislabelled but are so very happy to not only label but mislabel others.

I don’t think many of us “older” generation took a blind bit of notice until it started to be rammed down our throats everywhere and we were expected to “celebrate” this fad 🤷‍♀️

Absolutely. And herein lies the debate. And others, like yourself are correct, where do you draw the line?
I don’t agree that either sex should be forcing the opposite gender to accept them into single sex spaces. Acceptance is my ideology but I am obviously biased here.

Do you get a badge? Or a special hat? Are we taking it in turns or are you in post until you step down? Were you elected or did you volunteer?

Sorry that's enough questions to someone who isn't going to engage.

@Snowypeaks thank you for understanding 💐

I think that solution is a good one.

Thanks for following up my post with an explanation that I am too tired to formulate.
I thank the menopause for my zero fucks left to give attitude.

Of course you're judging.

'we forgive the older generation to much'

If you think they need to be forgiven, you are implying they are doing something wrong. You then go on to give two stories about older people apparently motivated by racism. The implication being that older people are more racist and 'get away with murder'.

You've now slightly shifted that to say they are 'intolerant'. This is also a judgement, and a sweeping generalisation, and also in my experience, bullshit. Your ageism and arrogance is frankly horrible.

I'm still interested to hear what you think 'trans rights' means OP.

The 'right' to 'identify' (whatever you mean by that) as the opposite sex is not a human right as set out by the UN.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

What do you mean by a 'right'?

What 'rights' don't trans people have?

I really do worry about the level of knowledge about biology for many many trans activists!

I feel you want to goad me.
I have not thought about it is my honest answer.
In my SS case him living as a man hasn’t honestly changed much from his family perspective. He has always been ‘one of the lads’ he’s has never had close female friends. He has never worn a dress (apart from at my birthday which I feel a bit bad about) he even wore a suit not a bridesmaid dress.
Up until he developed facial hair, people who didn’t know him would refer to him as her. It’s very difficult/disheartening for people to refer to their biological gender but obviously very natural and normal.

Stand by for this being the predictable response, after a few very brave women have spent the past few years reversing all the 'issues' that need resolved.

Many have lost jobs, friends, and have suffered hugely because they have refused to allow the gender juggernaut to destroy more pre-pubertal children's lives, and have spent huge amounts of time, energy, money, and effort in ensuring that rapists are not now put into women's prisons as a matter of course if they ask to be, or trying to preserve the integrity of data and statistics, or protect women's rights, or accuracy in healthcare, or the ability to speak freely on the subject, or held the media to account.

But those who didn't get involved will now, looking back at it all go 'coo, what a fuss, see, everything's fine' and shrug.

Time travel back to 2015 or so and tell us it's being 'blown out of proportion'. Or go forward in time about, what, three years? And tell the detransitioners they've got their knickers in a twist over being unnecessarily sterilised.

It's still not fine, although things have started to look a bit more rational. Any resolution of these 'issues' has been won on the backs of a lot of women (and yes, sorry, some men) who will probably never be acknowledged.

@emilysquest in regards to (I do imagine that many, although not all, male boxers would object to finding they are expected to smash a woman in the face to advance in their sport, but I don't suppose that has ever happened?)
I suggest that you Google Fallon Fox, Alana McLaughlin, and Patricio Manuel.

Firstly, please do not call me a trans activist because of my personal experience and views.
Secondly, do you think I don’t understand the difference between male and female anatomy? What has my level of biology knowledge have to do with what I wrote?

Yes, NettleTea. However, I suspect that the poster you are answering simply cannot see the inherent misogyny in their post.

Woman.... a fuckable hole or a fuckworthy hole. Or what did Long Chu say 'a kind of centrifuge for distilling the femaleness to its barest essentials- an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes'. Only a male person who has declared that they are a woman and any expert on 'femaleness' would write such a statement.

But hey... apparently women who prioritise sex over gender are the misogynist ones!

But you are...

@Crankywiddershins sorry, I meant boxers who are men and who call themselves men and fight in men's boxing. Not "transwomen" who are men who call themselves women and fight in women's boxing (sorry not completely clear!).

I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO ENGAGE!
But it's a hat, a sorting hat, given to me by our lady Rowling in a very secret ceremony! It was so secret that she didn't know about it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

As an aged hag, who no longer works within the mental health field, but did for nearly forty years, I categorically believe that no human ever changed sex. I have changed people with anorexia, who believed that they were fat, when they were objectively underweight. I have detained people who believed that they were someone who they were not, such as those who believed that they were jesus, or the Virginia Mary. I found it very difficult when I was asked to detain a man who had delusional beliefs, who was then placed on a female ward, as his belief that he was a woman was deemed to not be delusional.
I do not believe that anyone born male can "live as a woman", as no one has every been able to tell me what that is.
As a young woman I campaigned for women's rights, I didn't expect that we would be still campaigning for basic rights now.

It's not transphobia to not agree that trans women are women.

You are free to believe that trans women are women. But nobody is obliged to agree with you.

If you want more people to agree with you then you need to engage with people who currently disagree and advance a compelling argument to support your point of view.

Just calling people transphobic for not sharing your beliefs without elaborating further isn't going to cut it.

That's far more polite than I'd be if I answered! Which I won't. 😬