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TheClogLady · 10/04/2024 01:49

I’m also delaying the reading until tomorrow but before I go to bed I just wanted to say (and I never thought I’d be thankful for a Tory) Sajid Javid’s short term as Health Secretary (Kemi Badenoch in the Equalities role) should be commemorated with a box of Roses today!

April 2022: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/sajid-javid-plans-review-of-impact-of-gender-dysphoria-treatment

April 2023:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498.amp

Javid was only in the Health Secretary job for 13 months and I don’t think we’d have gotten here if it had gone straight from Matt Hancock to Steve Barclay.

Sajid Javid plans review of impact of gender dysphoria treatment | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian

Data must be provided on the experience of children undergoing care, says health secretary

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/sajid-javid-plans-review-of-impact-of-gender-dysphoria-treatment

Dibbydoos · 10/04/2024 03:19

nauticant · 06/04/2024 21:59

That could be one of the best things achieved from the near decade of campaigning against gender identity ideology.

We're expecting a Labour government to wave through all kinds of regressive measures in the name of gender identity ideology but with a good Cass Review they'll have to actively overturn safeguarding for children and young people. If a government is seen to do that, then they know that they will own the consequences.

This is the gift given to us by Keira Bell. The genderists will go on about winning in the Court of Appeal, but the actual result was to finally get scrutiny into the state of gender-based medicine the UK. Well done Keira.

Because Labour don't understand the magnitude of allowing/encouraging what has become a trendy thing to do?

Don't make me laugh!

Noone knows what Labour would do.

The point here isn't political, its about the impact gender reassignment has on young people who frankly.may not know which gender they are or kniw which sex they are attracted to.

Finally though some sense should be applied from now onwards, at least for children...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 03:33

I’m also delaying the reading until tomorrow but before I go to bed I just wanted to say (and I never thought I’d be thankful for a Tory) Sajid Javid’s short term as Health Secretary (Kemi Badenoch in the Equalities role) should be commemorated with a box of Roses today!

I agree.

Ingenieur · 10/04/2024 03:39

IcakethereforeIam · 09/04/2024 23:31

Any headlines from overseas? I'm thinking particularly of the more captured countries; Canada, Australia, New Zealand. I have suspicions that they'll try to ignore or bury it.

Here you go

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html?ugrp=c&unlocked_article_code=1.jU0.yhrQ.vitCe--U_Fjw&smid=url-share

Readers Pick comments all support the review.

The Times they are a-changin'.

Ingenieur · 10/04/2024 03:42

I've put this on another thread, but this is a comprehensive summary if you don't want to read the entire thing.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1777834145470693643.html

My heart breaks for those poor kids.

NotBadConsidering · 10/04/2024 03:47

The most depressing thing about the initial reports on the Report is that they’re all things we’ve been discussing here for years:

Poor evidence
High rates of autism needing looking for
Poor mental health co-morbidities
Detransitioner regret

And so on, and so on. It’s 388 pages, but that’s a condensed version of multitudes of threads saying all this for years.

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 05:47

Crikey I'm bleary eyed and no contacts, hoping it's good news to wake to.

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 05:48

x.com/soniasodha/status/1777835202946974048?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Sonia has pulled some key parts:

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 05:57

"Although some think the clinical
approach should be based on a social justice model, the nhs works in an evidence based way."

Cass review - out on Wednesday
WarriorN · 10/04/2024 06:06

Pay close attention Today today...

Cass review - out on Wednesday
Underthinker · 10/04/2024 06:11

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/mother-criticises-agenda-from-above-cass-report-trans

The guardian had this piece ready to go at one minute past midnight.
As you might expect it's all about bemoaning waiting lists, describes puberty blockers as "pause buttons" and has a bit of smearing the report as being politically motovated.
Dicks.

Mother criticises ‘agenda from above’ after release of Cass report

Parent of trans girl says report promotes agenda that ‘things need to be made more difficult’ for children with gender dysphoria

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/mother-criticises-agenda-from-above-cass-report-trans

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 06:13

OvaHere · 09/04/2024 23:48

Wes Streeting, Labour’s health spokesman, said the report should provide a “watershed moment” for the NHS’s gender identity services.
He said children’s healthcare should always be led by evidence and children’s welfare, “free from culture wars”.

He's such a weasel shit for framing like this. Like he's on some higher fucking plain. I remember when he was part of secret Labour witch-hunt groups who were putting women on lists and having them chucked out of the party for raising these very issues almost a decade ago.

Isn't he just.

He says it should be a watershed for the NHS. That's not enough for me. It should be a watershed for Labour Party Policy. It should be a watershed for clamping down on a whole pile of online disinformation and challenging abuse of women who have fought on this matter in the face of activism HE PERSONALLY helped to shape. It should be a watershed for listening to the female electorate and being about Misogyny in Politics and How it Affects The Participation Of Women.

It won't be.

Any comment from the Lib Dems or Greens? Or are they just in denial and ignoring the whole inconvenience of it?

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 06:17

Dr Cass is on Radio 4 today at 7:30

It was the 1st headline news on today programme

Helleofabore · 10/04/2024 06:33

Underthinker · 10/04/2024 06:11

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/mother-criticises-agenda-from-above-cass-report-trans

The guardian had this piece ready to go at one minute past midnight.
As you might expect it's all about bemoaning waiting lists, describes puberty blockers as "pause buttons" and has a bit of smearing the report as being politically motovated.
Dicks.

Not sure how they can live with themselves ignoring the clear issues the way that article does. It is like they are trying to reinstate the previous norm in the dying moments.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 06:47

CaptainWarbeck · 10/04/2024 01:18

Interesting that 'gender dysphoria' is used over 'trans'. If someone is trans, then surely questioning that fact is transphobic. If someone is gender dysphoric, it seems sensible to discuss the dysphoria.

It looks like the report is shifting toward a more medicalised view of gender issues than rainbow flag blanket acceptance.

More than that.

The report doesn't refer to gender dysphoria. It says it is different and separate to gender incongruity.

It slams the use of unscientific language in medicine relating to trans.

Language matters hugely and this says it. All those words to say women without saying women matter too.

All these people who are all 'be kind' because of dysphoria and the automatic assumption that if you are questioning your gender you are trans is important.

  1. The separation creates two groups. If one group isn't dysphoric, what is it? There are multiple ways this could go from this point - the group who aren't dysphoric could be made up of multiple groups. This is important in the context of late transitioning males in that it cuts that ability to link to and use kids as a justification for their position (MNetters please challenge the posters who will continue to lump everyone into one group for their personal agenda going forward). And it perhaps raises questions about adults and whether there are also more than one group - one which is dysphoric and one that is not.
  2. It has a massive stress on safeguarding and not assuming anything. Schools and unions take note. Keep your LGBT groups and advocates under control because this report gives parents the ammunition to come after you.
  3. Cis is ideological language and should not be being used at all with kids or in a medical setting. (Hello education programmes).

It effectively is saying don't assume someone has they have a gender identity if they say they have one (hey let's talk about forms recording gender especially where it concerns under 25s. It's literally bollocks and not worth the paper it's written on. This should affect adult data recording too cos of the 18 - 25 bracket).

And that's just the tip of the iceberg with it.

I think the point about huge pressure to transition is a really important one generally too.

You can't consent if you are undue pressure. Thus even gillick competent kids can't necessarily consent. We should be stressing this.

Implications for online disinformation and content are interesting here. Pro-Ana and pro-suicide sites fall foul of the Online Harms Act. Encouraging anyone under 25 to transition online just got messy in the UK. Massive implications for social media and media providers imo.

As for all those MPs who stood up in parliament trying to push through the LGBT anti-conversion bill... Well that just got bloody embarrassing.

Oh how funny. Except of course it's not.

The Cass Review is going to get quoted to a lot of idiots rather a lot.

Is this the point we can say on MN 'we told you so'?

mids2019 · 10/04/2024 06:48

I think it is a dying moment article in the Guardian hopefully. It would be poor journalism to report on such in an important report then in an opinion piece essentially get and discredit it.

ProfessorPeppy · 10/04/2024 06:49

Hannah Barnes is going to be on GMB (ITV1) at 7.30am.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 06:59

I also like the official recognition and stated need of medical services for detransition.

Detransitioners have visibility and can no longer be swept under the carpet as an inconvenience.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2024 07:03

'There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

'Polarisation and stifling of debate do nothing to help the young people caught in the middle of a stormy social discourse, and in the long run will also hamper the research that is essential to finding the best way of supporting them to thrive.'

Oh.

I think there's a few people who have been dragged through the mud who should feel enormously proud and also have every right to feel enormously smug today.

There's also a bunch of politicians who need to do some apologising and should remove block filters.

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 07:03

Interview with Dr Hilary Cass 7:30 am bbc r4 Today programme www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5046945-interview-with-dr-hilary-cass-730-am-bbc-r4-today-programme

Radio 4 are talking about it every 15 mins.

Do

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 07:03

Currently playing a clip of the interview with Cass

CaptainWarbeck · 10/04/2024 07:09

Said over on the other thread too, but I've appreciated the use of the factual term 'registered female at birth' throughout the Cass report, rather than the more ideological 'assigned female at birth'.

ResisterRex · 10/04/2024 07:10

Some of the coverage not already posted here, I think:

Mail

NHS's gender treatment model for children is demolished in bombshell report: Teens suffered irreversible changes based on 'remarkably weak evidence'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13290077/NHS-gender-treatment-children-based-remarkably-weak-evidence-landmark-report-finds.html

Everything you need to know about the sweeping 400-page Cass report, including why it was set-up four years ago and what has happened since

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13288717/Everything-need-know-sweeping-400-page-Cass-report-including-set-four-years-ago-happened-since.html

The Times

The Times view on the NHS gender identity scandal: Prescription for Disaster

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4d38a355-b6c6-41a0-96dd-bbf1c2c611fa?shareToken=31f8a065623f2fd5e7fc209f6ffea2ad

NHS review rejects puberty blockers for gender transition in children

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5f04e9ac-ead3-41e9-b199-07a18460f7bd?shareToken=adba279533f5c98c5316fe22b3aad2d6

Nine key findings from the Cass review into gender transition

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cb8e1bb3-0526-4431-81cb-ff0c48fabd43?shareToken=e6e1e5c2258f001e657952962e6ca6bb

Sajid Javid: NHS let gender ideology replace children’s best interest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f84bc183-0f0a-4b28-b365-9fb6fb3fbf69?shareToken=2a408354d03adba4a0b401934f7ab2d8

Telegraph

LEAD STORY
NHS to review all trans treatment
Evidence for letting children change gender built on shaky foundations, says Cass report

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/2/article/NaN

Under-25s’ trans care must be slower
Recommendations from key report also include early help for pupils who wish to socially transition

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/25/article/NaN

Allison Pearson

The Cass report lays bare what we all knew about the trans brainwashing cult

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/70/article/NaN

SinnerBoy · 10/04/2024 07:41

Here's Julie Bindel's take on Cass:

https://archive.ph/EzoWz