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Signalbox · 09/04/2024 15:47

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/09/cass-review-nhs-children-gender-dysphoria

“This new approach advised that as well as thinking about gender identity when meeting patients, clinicians should consider adverse experiences, sexual orientation, mental health, and wellbeing at school.”

Lol, holistic care is hardly a new approach is it?

Cass review set to confirm shift in NHS care for children with gender dysphoria

Findings are due to be published from review by consultant paediatrician that has already had significant impact

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/09/cass-review-nhs-children-gender-dysphoria

FinallyASunnyDay · 09/04/2024 21:41

Interesting discussion of Cass tomorrow on reddit (Reddit TrangenderUK comment) including a link to a leaked version which appears to have been closed down since some of the commenters commented on it.

Much as expected, plus recommendation for no medical treatment until age 25.

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/04/2024 21:59

Hannah Barnes has just tweeted a picture of the BBC saying it's good to be back. Hopefully she will be on several programmes tomorrow

JeannieDark · 09/04/2024 22:13

BonfireLady · 07/04/2024 12:22

This popped up on my X feed this morning and is rather timely:

https://ateachersguidetosexandgender.org/2022/07/06/a-teachers-guide-to-the-cass-review-interim-report/

One of the specific areas I'm focusing on with both my daughter's school and my MP is the legal position of schools allowing teachers to share their belief in gender identity under the current statutory guidance and other legislation. In short, the lack of minimum age in the EA for the PC of gender reassignment seems to be the elephant in the room here too.

Hopefully the people that put this document together will do a similar analysis on the final report when it comes out.

However, in the interim I'll be pointing my daughters' school to this paragraph in particular:

Moreover, the promotion of specific beliefs about the source(s) of gender-related distress could influence children’s attitudes toward the diagnostic process before meeting with a clinically trained professional. Guidance from the Department for Education states that teachers “are in a position of authority and will typically be respected and trusted by the pupils they teach, giving their personal opinions greater weight and credibility. As a general principle, they should avoid expressing their own personal political views to pupils unless they are confident this will not amount to promoting that view to pupils [4].”

Once I've read the final Cass report this week, I'll ask for a meeting with the school to discuss next steps. To be clear, the school has been really collaborative but I'm now going to respectfully challenge them on their position to wait for the final Guidance on Gender Questioning Children before they take any steps on changing their policies. They are in a difficult position but I would argue (and I expect/hope to see good reasoning in the Cass Report) that they leave themselves fully exposed to legal risk in the future if they continue to allow teachers to promote the belief that everyone has a gender identity e.g. pronouns in emails, pronoun posters on walls, posters of trans"identified role models etc.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts after it's published. Both my kids pre-school setting and after school setting have had trans/NB staff and have told my kids it's possible to change sex and I would like to be able to respectfully challenge this - and stop them from discussing it with young children who are clearly too young and will believe whatever a 'teacher' figure tells them.

birchtreeglow · 09/04/2024 22:22

KJK on YT discussing the Cass Review. She has a copy.

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 22:47

Only a photo at the moment, but the times front page is below

Cass review - out on Wednesday
Brainworm · 09/04/2024 22:52

Hannah Barney's about to come on Newsnight (about 5 mins)

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 22:55

The Mail front page

Cass review - out on Wednesday
Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 22:55

The Guardian front page

Cass review - out on Wednesday
Brainworm · 09/04/2024 23:00

Barnes, not Barney!!

NotBadConsidering · 09/04/2024 23:02

Signalbox · 09/04/2024 15:47

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/09/cass-review-nhs-children-gender-dysphoria

“This new approach advised that as well as thinking about gender identity when meeting patients, clinicians should consider adverse experiences, sexual orientation, mental health, and wellbeing at school.”

Lol, holistic care is hardly a new approach is it?

Typical of the Guardian, you can’t find that article on the front page of the website without digging for it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 23:04

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 22:47

Only a photo at the moment, but the times front page is below

Those front pages! Brilliant

TheClogLady · 09/04/2024 23:06

Here’s another

Cass review - out on Wednesday
Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 23:07

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 23:04

Those front pages! Brilliant

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I was feeling tired but having seen those front pages I feel very awake!

So many people are going to be so very pissed off tomorrow!

CriticalCondition · 09/04/2024 23:13

No sign of the usual pics of tomorrow's front pages on the BBC news app. Hmm, I wonder why.

LarkLane · 09/04/2024 23:14

Just watching Hannah Barnes on Newsnight. Victoria Derbyshire with her. Articulate and on point. Well done.

BettyFilous · 09/04/2024 23:15

Well done Hannah for calling out the shameful delays in dealing with the issues at the Tavi & most of the media for not covering it.

Brainworm · 09/04/2024 23:15

Hannah made special mention room of how bad the BBC have been on this issue

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 23:22

The evidence for allowing children and young people to change gender is based on "Shaky foundations"

Cass cautions that extreme care should be taken before anyone under the age of 25 transitions

No good evidence

Pressure on families to allow their children to transition.

This is massive!!

Link to the Telegraph article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/09/nhs-review-transgender-treatment/

NHS to review all transgender treatment

Cass report finds evidence for allowing young people to change gender is built on ‘shaky foundations’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/09/nhs-review-transgender-treatment

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 23:26

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 23:22

The evidence for allowing children and young people to change gender is based on "Shaky foundations"

Cass cautions that extreme care should be taken before anyone under the age of 25 transitions

No good evidence

Pressure on families to allow their children to transition.

This is massive!!

Link to the Telegraph article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/09/nhs-review-transgender-treatment/

https://archive.is/zKnG8

Archive link for it

birchtreeglow · 09/04/2024 23:26

After listening to KJK read some of the report out, I feel disappointed with it. Raging a bit actually. But I'll read it myself and digest. I really dislike 'young people' as a term, stick to 'children' for under 18 and say 'young adult' for 18-25 for heavens sake.

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 23:28

From the Telegraph

Wes Streeting, Labour’s health spokesman, said the report should provide a “watershed moment” for the NHS’s gender identity services.
He said children’s healthcare should always be led by evidence and children’s welfare, “free from culture wars”.

Helen Joyce, of the gender-critical group Sex Matters, said: “This is the end of paediatric gender medicine as we know it.”

Kate Barker, chief executive of the advocacy group LGB Alliance, said: “We have known for years that for the overwhelming majority, gender distress resolves itself on its own, and that these young people grow up to be happy and well-adjusted lesbians, gay men or bisexuals.

She said it welcomed “that time to think is essential for young LGB people who are most at risk from the extreme ideas of gender identity ideology”.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 23:29

It's a long report and we'll need to read it carefully. But those headline points from the Telegraph article show that she's not holding back from being clear aboiut the lack of evidence and harms happening.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/04/2024 23:31

Any headlines from overseas? I'm thinking particularly of the more captured countries; Canada, Australia, New Zealand. I have suspicions that they'll try to ignore or bury it.

Boiledbeetle · 09/04/2024 23:41

Scottish Daily Mail (notice the difference to the English one!)

Cass review - out on Wednesday
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