Teen boy avoids jail after rape of girl, 12

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A TEENAGE boy has been handed a youth rehabilitation order after raping a 12-year-old girl who has since died in Kidlington.

Addressing the boy, Judge Lamb said: “I’m not sure it’s right to say that you were selfish but you were not kind and you need to understand that women and girls need to be treated with respect…respect and care.”

https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/24234880.teen-boy-avoids-jail-rape-girl-12-kidlington/?ref=twtrec

What sort of idiotic language is this. Rape isn't a very kind thing to do.

Rape has been decriminalised by stealth.

No words.
its awful but I honestly don’t know what kind of justice locking a young lad up after he did this age 13… it does sound like he has been trying to change since then and I guess the real consequence that would hurt most is true remorse as this will be lifelong…

But it’s awful and tragic. So sad.

This is one of the worst things I’ve ever heard. What the fuck. This reminds me of the film Promising Young Woman. Absolutely horrendous.

What the fuck is this? I can’t say you were selfish? What the fuck?

This from the victim's father:

'He wrote: “She was a bubbly girl and the heart of the household.
“She was selfless and was always doing things for other people. She would always put others before herself.

“What [he] did to her changed her life. I tried to speak to her about what happened but she struggled to open up.
“She wanted to put it all behind her…but I knew what happened to her was eating her up inside.

“She started to push very close friends away. I can’t begin to imagine what she was going through.
“She started listening to emotional music and watching shows about suicide. She began to self-harm three months after the incident.
“No amount of words could quantify the amount of pain we’ve felt from her death.
“The verdict has given [her] a voice. Life isn’t the same without her, the house feels empty and quiet.”

My god. RIP, I'm so terribly sorry.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/unduly-lenient-sentences

How can one request a review when the perpetrator is not named, does anyone know?

So he was 13 and she was 12. Appalling and the judge’s remarks are not ok, but what good would locking him up do? He obviously needs intervention and help if he’d do this aged 13; prison with a load of offenders isn’t that.

How can the judge say the boy "wasn't selfish"? Baffling.

'You can ask for someone’s Crown Court sentence to be reviewed if you think it’s too low.
The Attorney General’s Office can review very low sentences given by the Crown Court in England and Wales if they’re asked to.
Only certain types of case can be reviewed, such as:

• murder
• manslaughter
• rape
• robbery
• some child sex crimes and child cruelty
• some serious fraud
• some serious drug crimes
• some terror-related offences
• some crimes committed because of the victim’s race or religion
• stalking that caused the victim severe distress or to fear violence
• harassment that caused the victim to fear violence
• controlling and coercive behaviour

Anyone can ask for a sentence to be reviewed - you do not have to be involved in the case. Only one person needs to ask for a sentence to be reviewed.'

Well this just shows that Judge's are no more competent to hear rape trials that juries.

Worth doing this?

You can ask for someone’s Crown Court sentence to be reviewed if you think it’s too low.The Attorney General’s Office can review very low sentences given by the Crown Court in England and Wales if they’re asked to.

Only certain types of case can be reviewed, such as:

• murder
• manslaughter
• rape
• robbery
• some child sex crimes and child cruelty
• some serious fraud
• some serious drug crimes
• some terror-related offences
• some crimes committed because of the victim’s race or religion
• stalking that caused the victim severe distress or to fear violence
• harassment that caused the victim to fear violence
• controlling and coercive behaviour

Anyone can ask for a sentence to be reviewed - you do not have to be involved in the case.

Only one person needs to ask for a sentence to be reviewed.

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

The judge sounds like he is using terminology aimed at someone with a much younger/lower cognitive abilities. Why is that?

Not kind. What a nonsense statement.

Its taken 3 years to come to trial and sentencing, is that due the victims fragility or his?

Perhaps she would be alive if she was able to see justice quicker.

True

Judge Lamb is a woman apparently according to the comments in the newspaper . The sentence beggars belief particularly as he didn’t even plead guilty . The whole thing is unbelievable

That poor child. Our legal system really doesn't value women and girls

It's so hard to get rape cases to court, and then to get convictions. And with outcomes like this, victims really must wonder why they should bother.

A horrible and sad case.

'Be kind' does seem to have very different usages, based on what demographic group it is aimed at. I have no knowledge of the specific case here and perhaps the judge's words were carefully selected, but far too often I see girls being told that they should relinquish all their rights in order to be kind to some other, more deserving group.

It would stop him thinking he'd got away with a "not very serious crime at all" which is what this fecking sentence and the idiot judge's comments imply.

Time after time excuses are made for men and boys, and the law comes down like a ton of bricks on women for shoplifting a quarter of cheese.

It's like this, below - what would the reaction have been if a woman lawyer had turned up in court like this? Anyone prepared to take a guess ? What's the odds she would have got her "heid in her hands to play with", as we say here.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13274499/Stephanie-Mueller-transgender-public-defender-seattle.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

During the trial, the jury heard the girl, whom the Oxford Mail has decided not to name, has since died.

The reason and cause for her passing has not been explicitly disclosed in court.

A victim impact statement written by the girl’s father was read out before sentencing.

He wrote: “She was a bubbly girl and the heart of the household.

“She was selfless and was always doing things for other people. She would always put others before herself.

“What [he] did to her changed her life. I tried to speak to her about what happened but she struggled to open up.

“She wanted to put it all behind her…but I knew what happened to her was eating her up inside.

“She started to push very close friends away. I can’t begin to imagine what she was going through.

“She started listening to emotional music and watching shows about suicide. She began to self-harm three months after the incident.

“No amount of words could quantify the amount of pain we’ve felt from her death.

And against that statement from her father the judge seems to think this was more telling:

Defending the boy, defence barrister Peter du Feu said he has stayed out of trouble since and understands and he wants to become a better member of the community.

He said: “He wasn’t kind that day. He’s trying to do what he can to be better, to be a better member of the community, and withdraw into a family that surrounds him with love and support.

“It’s so tragic that [the girl] is no longer with us. It makes this case exponentially worse.

“But he’s tried to stay out of trouble and be better.”

Addressing the boy, Judge Lamb said: “I’m not sure it’s right to say that you were selfish but you were not kind and you need to understand that women and girls need to be treated with respect…respect and care.”

not "selfish" - what world does this Judge live in?

I agree that prison is not necessarily appropriate. However, all this stuff about trying to do better is just hogwash. He didn't admit the crime for 3 years, forcing the girl to face a court case. There is simply no evidence of remorse. He's claiming credit for not raping anyone else. He has a family that loves and supports him (who didn't get the truth out of him or encouraged him to lie.)

The defence says,

Defending the boy, defence barrister Peter du Feu said he has stayed out of trouble since and understands and he wants to become a better member of the community

He said: “He wasn’t kind that day. He’s trying to do what he can to be better, to be a better member of the community, and withdraw into a family that surrounds him with love and support.

“It’s so tragic that [the girl] is no longer with us. It makes this case exponentially worse.

“But he’s tried to stay out of trouble and be better.”

I imagine that the reason the poor girl's death wasn't discussed in court was because it might become obvious he should be facing a manslaughter charge. And the precedents that would set.

how do we do this without his name?

I've done it, i jsut put details where the name was.

I am so FUCKING sick of the word 'kind',

As soon as I hear the word kind being used it's immediate red flags that the peopel using it are -idiots or maipulators, or both.

I honestly don’t know. The boy was 13 at the time and it took three years to get to court. I don’t think any of us on the outside have enough information on what sounds like a complicated situation.

Agree with @museumum , the facts are not available in the article quoted. We just don’t know what happened, and presumably the judge has the information needed to make that decision.
i work in sexual violence and campaign for better criminal justice processes for women every day, so I’m not naive to the disgraceful treatment rape victims experience from our justice system. But we just don’t know what happened here.