Teen boy avoids jail after rape of girl, 12

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A TEENAGE boy has been handed a youth rehabilitation order after raping a 12-year-old girl who has since died in Kidlington.

Addressing the boy, Judge Lamb said: “I’m not sure it’s right to say that you were selfish but you were not kind and you need to understand that women and girls need to be treated with respect…respect and care.”

https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/24234880.teen-boy-avoids-jail-rape-girl-12-kidlington/?ref=twtrec

What sort of idiotic language is this. Rape isn't a very kind thing to do.

But he’s tried to stay out of trouble and be better.”
so not actually he's stayed out of trouble? He's tried....oh phew, well as long as he's not admonished or made to feel bad,.alls ok!

I just put 'unknown' in the box, but I expect they will know which case it relates to by the date and court.

So what 'facts' would make his raping her ok, and her subsequent death also OK?

Rape isn't accidental . It's not an error of judgement. It's a violent crime. That has had a devastating effect on the victim.

‘Not kind’ is one of the phrases I use with reception age children. Not children over the age of criminal responsibility.

People are going to hang their hats on the fact that they were close in age and think that she consented but due to her age legally she couldn't consent 🤔 many people (not me) believe that's OK his later action of not admitting to it and forcing it to trial are a problem in my mind because if he had admitted it they still might not have done anything but she wouldn't have had to go through the prospect of facing a trial

This, that other women are defending him saying 'oh reasons/we don't know the facts'
when she ended her own life is frightening.

The rapist was with a group of boys who plied the victim with alcohol spiked lemonade. Those are the circumstances, and they do not mitigate what he did, at all.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24134594.teenager-accused-rape-12-year-old-kidlington/

So because of his actions a young girl takes her own life, and he's just told to be kind?
Where is the justice? How can a judge treat a young girl, a child, with such disdain and contempt, by not giving some kind of solace to the family. And there I was naively thinking our justice system was just that; a system of justice, how wrong I've been.

No no no @thecanadianloon he's to try to be kind.... we can't be mean to poor chap now...

Holy shit this is sick. The judge needs to be re-educated.

Fucking hell @Fallingirl and there's posters who purport to work with sex crime victims who are defending him.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

This happens a lot, lot more than you hear about. Youth rape is vastly under-reported because local journalists don’t go to youth courts because they can’t name the perpetrators or the victims and literally nobody reads anonymous court stories so it’s very difficult to persuade an editor they’re worth covering.

I reported on one last year where a young teen was given a youth rehabilitation order for raping another young teen. It’s quite a normal sentence.

I’ll ignore sentencing as I don’t know mitigated circs etc

but how the fuck is someone convicted of RAPE with a judge saying that wasn’t selfish? What the fuck was it then? FUCKING CHARITABLE RAPE?

And even if the judge had some sort of perverse point (because I know nothing about the crime) surely he wouldn’t say something so disgusting knowing with no context their remarks would sound this awful? It’s taunting victims.

that poor girl - rest in peace

It's not good language and I think the judge could have been stronger but I also work with a lot of young people who have been through the youth justice system and realistically the majority are coming from difficult backgrounds. We don't know the ins and outs of the case and for all we know this boy (because he was a 13 year old boy at the time) could have been vulnerable/exploited etc himself. Unfortunately it's not uncommon for children who have been sexually abused to abuse other children through trauma. None of that would be published in the papers so I don't think there's really enough to go on here to say its a fair decision or not. Horrific and awful experience for that wee girl to go through, but as others have said locking him up and throwing away the key for something he did as a 13 year old, if he's maybe been living life very differently since and maybe in light of life circumstances is probably not the best move either. I also have worked with a lot of victims of SA and I think you need to sometimes be prepared to read between the lines. Cases like this will never give you all the details so really you have to trust the judge who does have all the information. To be honest the judges language is making me wonder if the 16 year old is vulnerable. I've worked with a number of young lads who ended up committing SA without fully understanding the situation or the consequences who had a learning disability. (Obviously not an excuse in itself but in that case it was very pertinent).

@MotherEarthisaTerf I think from pp the judge was female.
But like some pp a female who is desperate for the cool points for reminding us all 'poor him' etc etc....

@Lavender14 so you think there are situations where its 'poor rapist, he's had a tough life, there's reasons he's raped her, she needs to acknowledge his life history and #bekind' ??

His non sentence and being told he was not kind will have made all her peers think she was being over dramatic about it and possibly even lying

Basically she had to re live the trauma in court and for what

Poor girl her MH didn't stand a chance

Shame on you Judge Lamb

What an absolute disgrace

So what kind of fucked up precedent does this now set

Any bloody teen can now go around raping teenage girls and get away with it

Boy Kidlington vs girl kidlington

Just be kind in future, slapped wrist ( not even that tbf)

What is the work's coming to

So much for the Me too movement

That's now gone backwards again by 100 bloody years

I think that sometimes life is not black and white and yes I do think there are some situations where someone can be both a rapist and in a way a victim themselves, perhaps they are vulnerable or exploited themselves. Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but it's something I see first hand working within the care system and youth justice systems, children end up in situations beyond what they are fully able to comprehend the consequences of and a lot of that tends to be down to how they were raised and things they've witnessed in formative years. I do think it's important to acknowledge someone's life history and the reasons behind any crime because that's what determines motive and level of culpability and also the likelihood of them repeating the crime or similar. When we're talking about children we need to recognise that their brain development isn't even complete at that stage, the part of the brain that processes consequences isn't fully matured until someone is in their 20s so you can imagine how immature the brain of a 13 year old is. These things do matter. An example, I've seen cases where a child has been forced to rape and abuse another younger child by an adult exploiting them. It's not always as black and white as you would like to think which is why background and context are important in making a fair decision. Also because if someone else is pulling strings in the background they need to be held fully accountable. It would be much easier to take a black and white approach to this, but it's not the real world unfortunately.

@UpsideLeft well all they have to say apparently is 'I've had a hard life' and it stops being about their crime and taa-daa! They're the victim, and the nasty girl just wasn't being nice enough, and she needs to learn to be kind to the poor rapist.

@Lavender14 so you are saying a male can say #reasons for raping someone, and in fact poor chap he's the actual victim?

@DoreenonTill8 asking me the same question twice will only get you the same response. I feel I've adequately responded to this exact question already have I not?

Not selfish, not kind. Absolutely call the boy out as a rapist. It very much sounds like his actions drove the poor victim to kill herself. He needs to be locked up to protect other girls until he's learned not to rape.