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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime

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PriOn1 · 04/04/2024 06:07

In an astonishing twist, Stonewall has stated that correctly sexing men is not a crime.

They are, of course, only admitting this now it’s been made very clear by Police Scotland’s reaction to JK Rowling.

They said nothing over the years as women were chucked off social media, for correctly sexing men. Not sure if anyone was actually arrested for only doing it, but they have allowed the fear to fester on and on, leading to chilling of free speech.

What a bunch of weasels they are.

https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1775643089010385141?s=20

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SidewaysOtter · 04/04/2024 12:00

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Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 12:00

anyolddinosaur · 04/04/2024 11:47

Isnt Alison Bailey still appealing on Stonewall's contribution?

The latest update I can find is from 9th June last year, saying "I have been notified today by the Employment Appeal Tribunal that my appeal has passed the sift stage and will proceed to a full hearing."

I can't find anything about a full hearing, but since the Tribunal system seems to move slower than the mills of God, this may not be surprising

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2024 12:00

Malcolm Clarke AT TwisterFilm
You know the best thing about the Hate Crime Act? Thousands of ordinary Scots who were half-afraid to call hulking blokes in dresses ...MEN....now know it's absolutely fine to do so. Like everything else the SNP does it has had the opposite effect from that intended.

CantDealwithChristmas · 04/04/2024 12:02

This reminds me of the desperate reverse ferret Mermaids had to pull when the Government ordered it to stop saying, in Mermaids' educational pack for schools, that it's possible for 'children to be born in the wrong body'.

Mermaids went into a scramble and even tried to claim that they had never said that children can be born into the wrong body despite ample extant evidence to the contrary.

This reverse ferret from Stonewall is similar.

The last five years have been like watching a high school bully in action but played out over vast organisations. The bully will take more and more from his victim if he is not checked. But often the bully is also subconsciously aware that he stands on shaky ground, with nothing to back him up other than fear and intimidation.

If a brave person pokes the slightest hole in the bully's carapace of emtpy threats and intimidating behaviour, the bully crumples like a deflated bouncy castle. All the hot air is let out. That is what is happening with the TRA industrial complex right now.

I love to see it.

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 12:07

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Stonewall hasn't said it's not wrong, it said it wasn't a crime

I repeat my earlier comment "It is possible to coerce people into a demanded/desired behaviour without laws. Policies, rules, "values" in employment and social organisations, all imposed with the threat of sanctions for any perceived transgression." To which I will add, rules imposed on social media and in publications.

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Someonescatmum · 04/04/2024 12:17

I like the fact they have drawn parallels to religion.

It emphasises that it's a belief system not fact.

Esgaroth · 04/04/2024 12:20

The bar for MN posts is higher than just what is legal, though. It's legal to call someone a fucking wanker but if you do that to another poster you'll get deleted. Though I think if you call a public figure a fucking wanker you'll generally be OK.

I certainly agree that posts should not be deleted for saying what sex a public figure is, but I suppose the legality of such a statement is not the salient point..

RedToothBrush · 04/04/2024 12:20

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 12:07

Stonewall hasn't said it's not wrong, it said it wasn't a crime

I repeat my earlier comment "It is possible to coerce people into a demanded/desired behaviour without laws. Policies, rules, "values" in employment and social organisations, all imposed with the threat of sanctions for any perceived transgression." To which I will add, rules imposed on social media and in publications.

The deletions are the result of MN rules on terminology and the actions of monitors who complain to MNHQ about "breaches" of those rules.

The idea that it is respectful to use pronouns, won't last imho.

Not when it comes accompanied by threats and abuse if you don't. Thats not how real life works.

It just got harder for cash strapped organisations and businesses to justify pronoun badges and training...

WickedSerious · 04/04/2024 12:22

AlisonDonut · 04/04/2024 11:07

All these silly institutions that think misgendering is bad, tut tut, going to have to go in and train them AMIRITE?

Time for a spot of reeducation.

Or should that be rereeducation?

SerendipityJane · 04/04/2024 12:25

Esgaroth · 04/04/2024 12:20

The bar for MN posts is higher than just what is legal, though. It's legal to call someone a fucking wanker but if you do that to another poster you'll get deleted. Though I think if you call a public figure a fucking wanker you'll generally be OK.

I certainly agree that posts should not be deleted for saying what sex a public figure is, but I suppose the legality of such a statement is not the salient point..

While generally it's "their site their rules", I think the law applies as much as IRL. So you can ban/delete anyone for any reason other than belonging to a group protected in law.

That's "I think" as in "I am not a lawyer etc etc" I would be fascinated (and defer to) a real lawyers view.

Sandwichgen · 04/04/2024 12:26

'...everyone deserves to feel safe while going about their daily lives...' huh? Like women (XX women, for the avoidance of doubt) in changing rooms, loos, prisons ?

IcakethereforeIam · 04/04/2024 12:36

Just a sec! So their name isn't 'Idul Wadhwa'. All this time, I thought the Mr bit was a title Easter Blush

Thank heavens I never met the person, that could have been embarrassing.

ruffler45 · 04/04/2024 12:43

I read this statement with interest. I expect the line will be that of course it isn’t a crime, it is just immoral.

What's "immoral" about it, it's a sane person's opinion of the facts as they see them.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:43

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2024 08:53

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Is that a support-seal identifying as a dog?

As long as it's a sincerely held belief that pinnipeds can be quadrupeds, I suppose that's acceptable.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:45

Alltheprettyseahorses · 04/04/2024 09:37

They (and others) are only saying it now because JKR wasn't arrested and the police said there was no case to answer. Reverse ferret 101. If she had been their statements and posts would be significantly different.

Indeed - a Reverse of Weasels is surely the right term?

They are nearly ferrets. (Apologies to all other mustelids - except stoats, they are little bar stewards, too)

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:49

nauticant · 04/04/2024 08:43

Collective noun:

A boogle of weasels; A confusion of weasels; A gang of weasels; A pack of weasels; A sneak of weasels.

Henceforth I will always use a Sneak of Weasels as the collective noun

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:51

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 11:00

That's going to be Stonewall, isn't it? Deny, minimize, project..
I just wish some of the big organizations who bought in their dodgy advice and now realise they've been sold a pup (a pop with huge legal implications...one for the AI to visualise!) they'll sue the living daylights out of them.😠

Stonewall managed to weasel out of any blame in the Alison Bailey case.

Probably shot themselves in the foot with that, as other organisations will have seen that they couldn't rely on their batshittery advice or support.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:54

PriOn1 · 04/04/2024 06:07

In an astonishing twist, Stonewall has stated that correctly sexing men is not a crime.

They are, of course, only admitting this now it’s been made very clear by Police Scotland’s reaction to JK Rowling.

They said nothing over the years as women were chucked off social media, for correctly sexing men. Not sure if anyone was actually arrested for only doing it, but they have allowed the fear to fester on and on, leading to chilling of free speech.

What a bunch of weasels they are.

https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1775643089010385141?s=20

Just as a matter of interest - now that we are allowed to correctly sex men, does that mean we have every right to keep them out of single-sex spaces?

Asking for women and girls everywhere.

Edited because I had put "correctly sex me" and not "correctly sex men".

Sorry about that. Not easy to correctly sex me with my post-menopausal moustache, but I don't consider it literal violence to get it wrong, so don't anybody worry about it.

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:56

Beowulfa · 04/04/2024 11:00

I feel some of the comments on this thread are very unfair. Weasels are fearless, resourceful predators and as Britain's smallest carnivore often hunt animals larger than themselves. Weasel mothers are the sole providers for their litter and will fiercely defend their young against larger attackers.

I will offer up "a bunch of brazen Tatchells" as an alternative.

Oh, just saw this one.
The weasel-reputation has been tattered by The Wind in the Willows.

(I still like a Sneak of Weasels, though. They sort of do Sneak around).

This law, and the big orgs responses, are getting much International attention and SCORN.
It is marvellous to behold.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:00

Have you any links @turbonerd ?

IcakethereforeIam · 04/04/2024 13:03

I was slightly addicted to Ozzy the Desktop weasel on YouTube. The cutest thing ever. Small and fearless.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/04/2024 13:04

So... focusing on misgendering, which is "literal violence" only serves to trivialise real violence?

Come again?

Oh look, a ferret reversing!

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:09

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:56

Oh, just saw this one.
The weasel-reputation has been tattered by The Wind in the Willows.

(I still like a Sneak of Weasels, though. They sort of do Sneak around).

This law, and the big orgs responses, are getting much International attention and SCORN.
It is marvellous to behold.

I was actually privileged to see a weasel mother moving her litter from one (obviously somehow compromised) under-tree trunk burrow to somewhere she considered safer.

She was tiny, and carried five minute kits, one at a time across the field where I was standing, through another field of cattle to her preferred place. There may have been more - I don't know if she'd been busy before I spotted her. I would guess, size-wise, it would have been like me carrying five cocker spaniels, one after another, a distance of a couple of miles, and coming back each time for the next. All at full speed.

It was pure good fortune that I spotted her and the dog didn't, (though the dog was an elderly west and probably wouldn't have bothered) - I leashed her and just watched the drama unfold until Mammy Weasel didn't come back for any more.

it was thrilling - I wished I'd had a camera. I' d love to know what she had felt threatened. I can only think it was something that humans were doing - I can't imagine weasels have many enemies, though they were very tiny babies, so maybe badgers or foxes might have taken them?

Edit for autocarrot

MsAsparagus · 04/04/2024 13:09

anyolddinosaur · 04/04/2024 11:47

Isnt Alison Bailey still appealing on Stonewall's contribution?

I have it in my diary for sometime in May.

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 13:14

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:00

Have you any links @turbonerd ?

Sorry crap at links. I know I must do better, just not good at technological stuff. And most of this info is on SM or in much smaller news outlets.
It is not in the big, national newspapers here, and I don’t expect it will be - they didn’t write a jot about Sturgeon’s Downfall either.
But - people are talking irl and on social media.
It is good, because it exposes the madness.

*here is in Scandinavia