Who does the police work for? A Statement by Southall Black Sisters

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This is from October last year and I thought there was a thread about it, but if there was it has gone. So will post link to the statement from that time as there has been an update today.

On the night of Friday, the 29th September, Selma Taha, Executive Director of SBS, and her friends were verbally and physically assaulted in an extremely violent racist attack on public transport; this included pulling clumps of hair off Selma and her friend and biting Selma’s flesh, leaving a deeply embedded imprint of her teeth which necessitated a tetanus injection and antibiotics.

A Metropolitan Detective Constable was present at the scene but did nothing to de-escalate the verbal racist abuse when the assailant, a white woman, began making monkey sounds, calling Selma and her friends “bitches”, and “slaves,” and subjecting them to other vile racist slurs. Nor did he apprehend the attacker until it turned into extremely violent physical assault.

To make sense of today's statement you do read the original statement in full which is at https://southallblacksisters.org.uk/news/who-does-the-police-work-for-a-statement-by-southall-black-sisters/

Update – Violent Racist Attack on Selma Taha and Friends

On 5 October 2023, I made it known publicly that I and two friends had been the victims of racist abuse and physical violence on the tube, and that a police officer was present, off-duty, who had failed to intervene during the incident to de-escalate the situation so as to protect me and my friends.

In a development that is deeply shocking to the three of us, the CPS has now made the following charging decisions:https://southallblacksisters.org.uk/news/update-violent-racist-attack-on-selma-taha-and-friends/

My children go to a Steiner-Waldorf School, and it is the most ethnically diverse school in our county, the parents of non-white children choose to send their kids there for it's inclusivity.

The Waldorf school movement is amazing, espcially compared to current mainstream schooling and curriculum. It is based on Rudolf Steiner's philosophy of education, but he lived 100 years ago, it isn't a religion or a cult around this man, it doesn't take his every single word as gospel.

I'm sure most philosophers / psychologists / scientists from 100 years ago were racist and were recorded saying racist things, Freud for example was racist, but we still value his contribution to psychology.

You are trying to undermine a schooling movement which already struggles without any funding whatsoever from the goverment, a schooling movement that prioritises the child and encourages protection from so many of the issues we are seeing in society - porn, gender ideology, social media addiction.

I'm so done with the bullshit of being able to call people 'white' as an insult and it supposedly being acceptable - it's not.

Where did I say it was? You appear to be having an argument with yourself.

There are, or were, state funded Steiner Schools in the UK

From 2019 "Three of the state-funded Steiner schools – the Steiner academies in Bristol, Exeter and Frome – have been placed in special measures.
A fourth state-funded Steiner academy, in Hereford, received a “good” judgment in December. Recent DfE data showed the Hereford pupils to be making rapid progress, while GCSE grades were good but less impressive."

Do the Independent schools get charitable status?

Whyis racism towards one colour of skin ok, but towards a different colour of skin the worst crime ever? Surely that itself is racsim?
No racism is "good" racism, it's all bad.

All bad, but nothing close to being equivalent. Is that really such a difficult concept?

“Prejudice plus (institutional) power” is the widely accepted basic definition of racism. Or, as two researchers defined it in 1988: “Racism equals power plus prejudice.”

"White people may be called a derogatory name with a reference to their whiteness. They may be discriminated against: for example, by an ethnic business owner who prefers to employ someone from their community background.
This may sometimes be unlawful. At other times, it may be a lawful form of “positive action” or “affirmative action”, aimed at reducing historically entrenched, intergenerational and systemic inequalities."

https://www.vu.edu.au/about-vu/news-events/news/what-is-reverse-racism-and-whats-wrong-with-the-term

@CupversusMug
Who gets to decide what a word means?
I like MLK Jr's definition for judge a man by the content of his heart not the colour of his skin.
Your opinion my differ, but I think anything that treats people differently based on the colour of their skin is racist.

MLK was referring to prejudice, not racism in your quote.

“Justice for black people will not flow into this society merely from court decisions nor from fountains of political oratory…White America must recognize that justice for black people cannot be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society" MLK

Who gets to decide what racism means in the UK? The people historically exposed to it is probably a good start. People with an understanding of power relations, history, sociologists etc. Certainly not Laurence Fox.

you missed out where he said about the content of thier heart not the content of their skin........

This is an Australian document.
Are there any UK policy documents that say white people may be called derogatory names because of their whiteness?
I don't think that argument would fly here. In fact there's a lawsuit going on now against the Tavistock NHS Trust about the derogatory use of whiteness

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11730793/Nurse-suspended-NHS-course-health-chiefs-saying-white-doesnt-make-racist.html

Because that's irrelevant when discussing combating systemic racism. King was talking about interpersonal relationships, his philosophy (informed by his religious middle-class background) consistently tried to negotiate between the personal & the political.

I referenced it because it was a simple and concise explanation.

You've linked to a complaint from a woman who objected to being taught critical race theory. A position which gained much ground with the MAGA in the US and has led to books about Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, amongst others, being banned in some schools.

Bit of a weird choice to choose an undecided case from a woman backed by Jordan Peterson, the iea, and a host of supporters on the right into a discussion about racism.

The UK isn’t America.

Just to say I asked MNHQ to delete the post I wrote quite late last night where i tried to put in order "the facts" as various statements and newpaper stories have reported. But felt I had maybe done it in a rush and had no time to amend, and too tired to do it sensibly.

But haveing read back through reports and statements it seems that

The woman who Selma Tala and friends complained about whilst on the tube "had accepted a caution for racially aggravated conduct under the Public Order Act and no further action was taken".

The other charges seem to releate to what happened when British Transport police came in response to the phone call from the off duty policeman.

"All three are accused of assault by beating in the central London Underground station" and "Thomas’s charge was raised to the more serious offence of racially aggravated harassment contrary to the same Act, which could be tried at a crown court." ... " the racially aggravated harassment allegations are for “conduct towards a white British Transport police officer".

I am more and more seeing similarites between Critical Race Theory and Gender Ideology

• Silencing other opinions
• Using Transphobe/Racist to shut down any objections
• Requires Belief
• Institutional racism = gender dysphoria
• 'Allies' mindlessly jump on board and out-do each other for highest moral ground
• Opression olympics
• Mob mentality
• People afraid to question
• Dubious academic studies/departments
• Lots of public funding

Im sure there are more

"Postive" or "affirmative" action is illegal and discriminatory in the UK.
It is never ok to abuse, bully or discriminate against someone because of their race, and quite frankly I am sick and tired of the racist bs that it's OK to be racist to white people, Christians and Jews because we are "the oppressors".
Do you have any articles that are relevant to the UK and British law rather than American Cup?

Well, legally yes. But you might hope that the white police officer wouldn’t be a dickhead. That they’d accept it was a heightened moment and not charge the black woman for one. Given the historical and current racism in this country and given acceptance of the police being institutionally racist. Otherwise it just feels like vindictiveness.

I posted much earlier on this thread that I was surprised that an alleged racist attack on the director of a very well-known, long established and widely respected women's organisation which was being characterised as some 'black girls' brawling on the Tube.

It's possible that a highly qualified senior member of SBS, with years of experience in anti-violence against women and girls organisations like NIA ['proudly feminist'] and Victim Support, launched an attack on a fellow-passenger - possible, because people sometimes do uncharacteristic things, but unlikely.
I hope justice is served.

This comparison seems unwarranted to me. I don’t know enough about CRT to comment on that specifically but I do know that GI is based on mostly men’s attempts to negate biological reality due to their desire to infiltrate women’s spaces. Whereas racism is pretty inescapable in how its manifested in all too often physical reality for those on the receiving end.

I posted much earlier on this thread that I was surprised that an alleged racist attack on the director of a very well-known, long established and widely respected women's organisation which was being characterised as some 'black girls' brawling on the Tube.

As posted up thread to stop speculation about this the only action taken in relation to the incident on the train was (as has now been quoted quite a few times)

The woman who Selma Tala and friends complained about whilst on the tube "accepted a caution for racially aggravated conduct under the Public Order Act and no further action was taken".

Some of it is.

It's not "racism" if it's towards Jews, it's antisemitism. You know, because of the very particular history.

No, none of the UK is America.

You're technically incorrect, with your totally pointless comment.

What are you on about?

Well, there's an acre of land at the JFK memorial in Runnymede for starters.