KjK "insane rant" thread 2

[AdamRyan]

First thread filled up just as it was getting interesting

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5036512-kjks-insane-rant

So let's keep it going. My characterisation if the two basic positions are:

1)KJK is a stone cold legend, haters gonna hate but many women will give her cash to bathe in champagne

2. KJK is taking right wing positions for clicks and cash, most recently criticising a doctors conference to stay relevant.

Happy to discuss further. There are some particular posts I want to respond to which I will c&p below

This thread feels like a contest of "Let's see who's the most left leaning!" at this point honestly and implying if you don't align fully you're basically right wing and brainwashed lol.

It's only a stones throw away from "If you don't think TWAW you're literally Hitler".

AKA, if you think those grooming gangs were left unchecked(for whatever reason), you're literally TR.

Yep. Even British Pakistani women can literally be TR now!

Words up to the yawn emoji was what I was replying to. After the yawn emoji is my reply

Adam are you going to respond?

I feel like this thread is full of posts that have been fed repeatedly through a universal translator from English to Esperanto to Urdu to Cantonese and back to English via French and Finnish.

Words and sentence structure have lost all meaning.

Criticising religions, particularly their sexist/misogynist elements in a feminist context is not ‘phobic’.

Yup. Criticising religion is a central tenet of feminism FFS.

The grooming hands in the north of England were largely made up of Muslim men. The victims of the grooming fans were largely white working class girls. The police service and other agencies responsible for the protection of those girls, failed to act in anything like a timely manner. It is probable that who the perpetrators and victims were, was the reason that investigations were not prioritised. I have seen nothing that KJK said that significantly differs from that view.
As an aside south Yorkshire Police had failed working class white girls for decades previously.

Gangs not hands

It’s like one of Arnold Rimmer’s exam papers.

Sorry, I have a non-MN life too

Was just reading that substack. It was interesting.

My first thought is if I wrote this:

any person, I think x is probably a racist and a yob. I think x is an opportunist and I think there are probably some really awful things to say about them. That's my gut feeling.

I'd get told i was sitting on the fence, not being clear and not providing enough evidence. I don't find it particularly compelling as a statement of how she feels.

The author of the substack says:
You might feel that the specific allegations against KJK with regard to this podcast are justified. However, if this is the first time you have heard the evidence, at least you will have made up your mind based on what KJK actually said.

That to me acknowledges it isn't clear cut and is a breath of fresh air, actually.

For me, some things don't need justifying, minimising or excusing. Particularly the violent behaviour of men. So I find it very difficult that she is not just saying "he's a racist thug, what he thinks is irrelevant". For someone famously plain talking about other aspects of male behaviour, it's noticeable. So my opinion is she does on some level condone his behaviour and that will be noticed and questioned.

As I asked as soon as I saw that DadJoke had started up again:
"More tea, Viper?" which is a code I suggested earlier for: just ignore DadJoke.
So anyone for tea? I'm sure somebody has some nice crackers to eat with your cheese, 2Rebecca. And although I've never even seen one, let alone eaten one, perhaps a Tunnock or two could distract those tempted to engage in what are obviously pointless interactions.

No. If you think the grooming gangs were left unchecked because people were scared of being called racist, then you've been uncritically imbibing too much right wing material.

I think they were left unchecked because misogyny is rampant, particularly towards girls in care, and because the criminal justice system in general is terrible on VAWG.

A view of "its Muslim culture" is overly simplistic, and inherently racist.

Unfortunately we are now in a position where "free speech" means people think any old prejudice that's in their head is "valid opinion".

And although I've never even seen one, let alone eaten one, perhaps a Tunnock or two could distract those tempted to engage in what are obviously pointless interactions.

You've never seen a Tunnocks?!?! <faints>

Did you notice the poster asking why I hadn't replied? If people don't want to discuss stuff they can always not bother, I don't mind.

There is a difference between "criticising a religion" and saying a religion is predisposed to sex offending on the basis of no evidence. One is valid free speech, one is prejudice.

Muslims are harassed on the basis of their religion. As someone rightly pointed out, this is not all about ethnicity. So it's not "racism" and we need another word.

But God forbid you criticise, express fear or loathing about Islam…. That makes you ‘Islamophobic’.

Out of interest are you equally critical of criticism, fear and loathing of Jews being called antisemitism? If not, why not?

Generally, "fearing" and "loathing" people solely because they come from a different background to you is pretty unusual and extreme.

I mean, personally I think your post speaks volumes but I get that everyone has different views on acceptable prejudice.

😱 You're a Tunnocks VIRGIN????

There is a difference between "criticising a religion" and saying a religion is predisposed to sex offending on the basis of no evidence. One is valid free speech, one is prejudice.

For the love of god, nobody has said that. Other than you!

This article isn't data either. It's just a guy pointing out that white men also abuse children.

It doesn't tackle the issue that a cohort of abusive men were allowed to get away with it for years. Like Saville, they were a special class of person.

Tell you what, let's do some falsifying.

Go and find me some examples of white grooming gangs that have been detected and dealt with quickly, with no criticism about police incompetence/corruption/factors that meant they were ignored.

That will test whether 1) some groups of men are special and protected or 2) all groomers get away with it for quite a long time regardless of ethnicity.

Scientific method, innit

Hmmm. What do people mean when they talk about "cultural differences" and "criticising religion" then? In the context of grooming gangs?

I am starting to see exactly why everyone is so baffled by why quite a lot of people outside the MN FWR bubble are perturbed by KJK. It's pretty blindingly obvious to me what "cultural differences" and repeated references to victim/offender ethnicity in limited cherry picked examples

That poster said they basically think fearing and loathing people on the basis of their religion is OK

If you think the grooming gangs were left unchecked because people were scared of being called racist, then you've been uncritically imbibing too much right wing material.

This apparently applies to the authors of the IICSA report, the Telford inquiry and the IOPC report into S Yorkshire police, as well as right wing journalists like Julie Bindel and Kenan Malik writing in right wing papers like the Guardian and independent.

I'm not going to post all the links again. They're in my previous posts.