KjK "insane rant" thread 2

[AdamRyan]

First thread filled up just as it was getting interesting

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5036512-kjks-insane-rant

So let's keep it going. My characterisation if the two basic positions are:

1)KJK is a stone cold legend, haters gonna hate but many women will give her cash to bathe in champagne

2. KJK is taking right wing positions for clicks and cash, most recently criticising a doctors conference to stay relevant.

Happy to discuss further. There are some particular posts I want to respond to which I will c&p below

I wonder why, on a thread where people are so keen to stick to the facts, you are posting complete speculation about what I'm saying in real life, and strawmanning what my position is, in the worst possible way.

It's not adding anything helpful and in fact just comes across as extremely defensive.

Adam, there's not a single person here who doesn't think you're obsessed with her. Personally I think it's because she put you down at some point in the past, and you can't let it go.

I'd like to understand why so many people are so devoted to her. To the point they shout abuse and attack people for asking questions about her. It really intrigues me.

Apart from the misrepresentation, I bet you'd love to know why people support her. I bet it intrigues you. Forewarned is forearmed , after all.

You cannot fathom that's it's as simple as her amplifying women who wouldn't ordinarily have a voice. It's just not in your experience.

But that's what it is.

But you can't undermine that out loud, can you?

Has anyone ever seen Adam and India in the same room?

The point of court is the evidence gets tested and that case wasn't proven. I'm not an "innocent until proven guilty" type of poster, but if someone isn't proven guilty in court it's not right to go round saying they did something that hasn't been proved.
Especially something as vile as that. Anyway suggest you read the links. It really is not that straightforward at all.

Also, as I keep saying, KJK linked it with a load of other unconnected events to buld a narrative alleging there are powerful sex offenders covering up grooming. That's the bit that's wrong. And also the bit where I feel someone as switched on as her must know what they are doing.

You can disagree but that literally is what's coming out of her mouth in the video.

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Yep. If you can't play the ball play the man. I'm definitely IW. Cervix and all.

I can't work out if you're actually dim or just acting it.

I was specifically referring to you misrepresenting KJK in relation to poor Chantelle Downes, implying that KJK had made up / wasn't telling the whole truth about what she'd heard. I told you that a) the CPS' own legal team alleged what KJK said and b) this was widely reported in the MSM.

For some reason you can't bring yourself to address this specific point (despite me clearly referring to it).

I suspected as much.

It is weirdly similar.

Absolutely no way India would use a male name though. India would have to report Indiaself for Hate Crimes!

OK. So I take it you agree with this:

"What we know is, that throughout the United kingdom at this second, what we know is that there's grooming gangs in Telford, a young woman that never actually really made it to the mainstream news, wasn't a big story, was cut up, and I think she was put in sort of meat that was sold for human consumption. We know that there are grooming gangs, we know that there are vast numbers of men involved in these grooming gangs, and we know that there's weird cover up stuff going on that only makes sense if the other people in power are also raping children."

Her words. Out of her mouth.

What I find intriguing is that someone like you can't hear that and go "that's a bit extreme".

Instead you want to attack me for being "obsessed". I'm not too bothered about the opinions of someone who would hear the above and think "yes, absolutely. Make this woman my MP. I want to hear her debate Starmer". But it does interest me that posters who previously were so good at facts and analysis are so dogmatically protecting this one person.

I have read the links. Stop being so bloody patronising. And given we've learned on these threads that you're incapable of reading something without giving it an alternate meaning, I don't think I'll rely on your interpretation of the written word being accurate.

I haven't actually said that. Weird that you'd say I have or not, given your history.

The CPS believed that to be true. They presented that as evidence in Court. The jury couldn't reach a verdict (they didn't acquit) so the accused men weren't found guilty. A retrial couldn't go ahead due to issues with the evidence obtained by the police.

Whatever the actual, awful, truth is, KJK repeated the CPS' version of events. One which was reported in the MSM. Bearing in mind that Chantelle is still missing, and the case isn't solved, that is what was believed to be the case. Is it? I don't know; I'm not privy to the evidence. Can't you categorically say it didn't happen as the CPS believe?

Poor Charlene. I hope she gets justice one day.

I don't know what isn't clear about what I said.

KJK used that as part of a narrative where she connected unconnected events to imply people in power are raping children and covering it up.

This is a classic Q Anon style conspiracy theory.

She has responsibility for what she says.

The very specific point about whether or not what she said about Downes was reasonable is actually largely irrelevant. But turns out also inaccurate.

Anyway. I'm going to take a wee break from the thread and follow the EU conspiracy advice. It's not actually helpful for me to encourage the spread.

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/coronavirus-response/fighting-disinformation/identifying-conspiracy-theories_en

I may pop back if there are any KJK developments, like the Pesutto trial.

I hope people stop using her as a poster girl in far fetched conspiracies. She deserves to rest in peace.

OK, I feel like we’re getting somewhere.

Your vendetta against KJK, then, is primarily because she once suggested that there was a conspiracy to cover up the widespread grooming and abuse of children.

She once said that, but she doesn’t speak of it any more.

Why are so you obsessed with discrediting a woman for speaking on this one topic in the past?

What is actually your aim, here? Do you want her to apologise? Step back from being a public figure? It feels like you want her to stop campaigning, full stop.

What would it take for you to actually stop thinking and writing about her?

I don't have a "vendetta against her" or at least I didn't before people started challenging me about lies/smears/misinformation. I know a lot more now and it's not great.

I couldn't care less about her campaigning. Again I actually am now less likely to pay attention because its just clickbaity Trumpian MAGA type nonsense in my opinion.

Why are you so invested in stopping me talking about her? What's the threat here?

Sometimes the "educate yourself" line backfires. I learnt that with the TRAs. Anytime someone starts shouting about "misrepresentation/find the facts" I do just that. And I've done it on these threads and personally would encourage others to do the same and not be shamed by the "its all lies" hyperbole.

"It is not true to think that "if only" the police had acted quicker he wouldn't be a racist."

FWIW I don't think that that's what KJK or anyone on this thread has been arguing either.
I think what they're saying is that by not acting, by covering it up, it allowed people like TR to gather up more ammunition that he wouldn't have been able to had it not been covered up - Yes he would've found something else, but maybe we should stop giving him free ammunition and making it so damn easy.

No one's saying he wouldn't be racist if only the police had acted quicker, they're simply saying that the Grooming Gang Narrative wouldn't have been taken and twisted into being something it wasn't (as you believe) if it hadn't been covered up in the first place.

Personally I think the truth of the Grooming Gang's is likely somewhere in between both.
People can, and are afraid to jump into action for fear of being racist, AND at the same time people can and are afraid to jump into action for fear of stirring up hatred & backlash within racist communities.
Both can be true, and both are a failure of the left.
As I said in a previous post, the left, WE, need to take responsibility for some of this stuff rather than pinning all the blame on "literally Hitler's" like TRA's do.

Anyway. I'm going to take a wee break from the thread and follow the EU conspiracy advice.

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