KJK’s insane rant

[Dontblameitonsunshine]

Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

Can anyone on this thread please give me a specific example of kjk supporting any organisation that is not kjk or LWS?

Is it required now? Can you give an example of Sex Matters supporting petitions that are not theirs, or other groups?

She definitely gives props to ‘We Need To Talk’ - although VA hasn’t done anything around that for a while.

Calling Sonia Appleby and others in the room “simpering idiots” was foolish and unfair.

i don’t think she was watching the live stream, I think she lashed out in frustration because she misinterpreted one slide - and in doing so she has damaged the only irgansisetion which

organsisation which is supporting medics who have been working very hard to sort this mess out. Many of them long before KJK set up.

its ludicrous to think that KJK was an inspiration for the conference. The harmed kids were.

I don’t think she is particularly supportive of other organisations. I get the impression (and I think she’s said as much) that she prefers doing her own thing. She had a bit of a pop at WRN a few weeks ago when their police search report came out. I personally thought what she said was a bit unreasonable but honestly it’s not the end of the world and she’s entitled to her opinion.

Early on she supported quite a few fledgling organisations. She was involved with the events Venice Allen started and also WPUK until they decided to have a go at her.

Given how many people from other orgs and activist groups (not all groups and not all people) have taken turns in swiping at her and LWS I'm not surprised she now just does her own thing.

I understand she has worked with women and women's groups in many of the countries she's travelled to. Off the top of my head there was an indigenous women's group in NZ she supported.

The problem is that if I choose to hold an event it is clear that kjk would attack me.

Can anyone on this thread please give me a specific example of kjk supporting any organisation that is not kjk or LWS?

Ohhhhhhh, has she refused to back or advertised your event? Has she refused to sponsor yours which is why you are upset about her making money she won't share with you? Is that why you are so sad and angry?

Yes, one woman essentially mouthing off in frustration isn’t going to undo good works. How many people watch everything KJK does anyway?

Its important to have people like her who have the guts to speak their own minds, to hell with the consequences, who don’t fear being ostracised or criticised for it- it’s the antidote to the groupthink that has led to the travesty.

Find your courage OP if you want to organise something. Accept now that you cannot do anything in the real world without someone telling you that you are doing it wrong. You can’t please everyone.

I’d quite like to watch the conference. Does anyone know if it was recorded?

I’m just looking for a link to one example of kjk supporting other organisations. Can anyone produce one example?

all I’ve seen from kjk is destructive attacks.

i know someone mentioned Sex matters, they often support other organisations, it took me seconds to find this:
https://sex-matters.org/posts/healthcare/who-guidelines-on-transgender-healthcare/

I see LWS didn’t bother to join this initiative.

lol @PurpleSparkledPixie , kjk hasn’t advertised or supported ANYONE else’s event

I read that the recordings will be released this week. I am looking forward to seeing it too.

I’m just looking for a link to one example of kjk supporting other organisations. Can anyone produce one example?

Why does she need to? She does enough already, why do we need to be one happy clappy cuddly sisterhood where everyone is bigging everyone else up?

She does her own thing and she does it bloody well.

I see LWS didn’t bother to join this initiative.

From what I’ve noticed, organisations tend to not want to be associated with LWS because of all the ‘far right blah blah’ that will be thrown at them if they do.

I don’t think KJK would want to be inhibited in order to protects others’ reputations.

What would happen - if she publicly supported this initiative, the transactivists would hound the organisation relentlessly and they would be placed under pressure to publicly denounce her, in order to retain credibility. Depending on how tightly they are screwed they may do it or not in order to survive. There’s no guarantees.

I doubt if she wants to go through that again. Better to just be a free agent.

Oh FGS. So now KJK is failing female socialisation by not spending all her limited time and energy bigging up other organisations?

Good. We need women like her who aren't people pleasers.

People pleasing has ended up with lifelong mutilation of children's bodies.

You think she should recommend other organisations, I don't, I think she should focus her energies on getting her message out.

She hugged Helen Joyce at one of her events - does that count? (strong suspicion nothing would ever be enough)

If she and others spent their time doing that they wouldn't actually be fighting for children and safeguarding and women's spaces would they?

And other organisations have said untrue and awful things about KJK in the past, but they seem to get a free pass. She doesn't dwell on it though, she moves on.

Most people looking at actions as well as words see that KJK events are far, far more equal opportunity for all normal women to attend. Held in public spaces, free to attend. Often on the weekend so childcare / work is easier to sort for most.

As far as her anger goes - the medical profession deserves some anger. They've allowed a total abdication of normal professional standards of care, evidence based medicine and conduct when it comes to gender ideology and should be held to account. The fact the practitioners who pushed this failure of professional care will get off with fat pensions whilst the children they harmed face a lifetime of difficulty is not ok. Not on the public purse.

Yeah... you really are here just to attack Kellie Jay Keen.

For all this thread so far, I don't believe you have really even tried to address what she did say. And your accusations about her seem pretty hypocritical in light of your posts on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/{mention:CAN}-SG/videos

This is their channel, apparently the videos will be up to watch at one point

Dontblameitonsunshine · Today 11:46

I’m just looking for a link to one example of kjk supporting other organisations. Can anyone produce one example?

Christ, that's 20 seconds of my life I'll never get back!

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1209855713813712897

The alternative queen's speech: Posie Parker giving shout outs to @AllianceLGB @WeAreFairCop & Magdalen Berns

(MN won't list all the "@s")

I've just been watching - part 1 is pretty gruelling, and part 2 is classic angry KJK energy. I think OP is feeling a bit called out by KJK. Here's a bit of a transcript.

I'll tell you how you can demonstrate it. Hello can we see all the evidence that said this is good? Here it is: a blank piece of paper. Here's the evidence. There's no evidence!

It's really scary when you think that most of us ordinary people - the women that congregate at Let Women Speak - we know better about this than anybody. Anybody. It just beggars belief. I feel like I'm the world expert in gender dysphoria; what is it? It's nothing!

Oh come and buy a ticket to the Conference, come and join the great and the good, all the non-confrontational polite, respectful, rational, courteous people that will sit and give you a round of applause if you say "I think it might be quite harmful to give children puberty blockers".

Oh well, fuck me, well done! Really? You think so? What, blocking puberty might be harmful?

"Uh, can I just say I also think it's harmful to cut the legs off of newborn infants."

Oh my god, well done! Wow, that's so, oh my god I can't believe someone's finally said it! You're just incredible.

And can I just say if you were in the conference, if you attended the conference, if you're part of the great and the good, the rational, the reasonable the wonderful, I don't think we're on the same team. I don't think we're fighting the same fight.

I think if you set up a conference on the basis that you are going to deal with "gender", "gender identity" and "gender dysphoria" you're just not on the same fight as me. Perhaps I just deal more in real-world stuff. Perhaps I'm just a little bit more abrasive, perhaps I don't mind being disliked, perhaps I'm not courting the great and the good. Perhaps I don't give a shit about their approval. I don't want it. I'd rather not have it, because it means I'm doing something wrong. There's a reason I don't go to these events, and that's because I really cannot - I could not sit there with a bunch of simpering morons listening to people talk about "maybe we should be cautious about giving kids cross-sex hormones".

I'm so cross. And can I just say to all the people who think that I'm not allowed to be angry, or it's not the way don't fucking tune in, don't listen I don't care.

I have said right from the off I don't need to be liked I don't want your approval I don't care if you think I'm right or wrong I don't care about any of those things. What I care about is that I see something, I want to say it, I'm going to fucking say it, I'm going to keep saying it and I'm not going to stop saying it.

And I'm never going to be okay about those of you that compromise. Like sod you, compromise who? Which child? 18-year-old? Should we compromise 18-year olds? Are they old enough are they old enough to cut their breasts off? Are they old enough for medics to go "well, you know 18 is the..." Are they okay for a theoretical paper on how we can just rob them of their futures?

I think she's clear - she's too busy pushing the edge of the GC side of the Overton window to waste her time on people being dragged along by the movement at the other end of it.

We need all sorts of people here, and KJK is utterly key to that end of the fight. If everyone was like, say, Jesse Singal, we'd be making much slower progress. (But he's key to his end too, and we need people like him). Someone has to be there consistently pointing out how extreme the "centrist" position actually is.

I'd be interested to see OP's actual response to any of KJK's actual points.

One thing I would say OP is that on Sunday Sall Grover attended and spoke at the LWS event about the impending Giggle v Tickle hearing in Australia. Elaine Millar was also there and spoke. I believe Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater and Sarah Phillimore (and I expect other activists) have all attended previous LWS events. If memory serves correctly KJK also interviewed Kiera Bell after she won the first Bell v Tavistock JR. She may not support groups but she supports individual women.

It's my understanding that the reason she doesn't align herself with other groups is because she never entirely agrees with their aims and principles. She says she wants to hold the line. I think she's been very successful at shifting the Overton Window by doing so. More women are prepared to be straight talking because of her. I don't always agree with her but I still think she is an important person within the context of the sex / gender debate. You might think that a good thing about her "rant" is that she's brought more attention to the conference. I am certainly going to be watching if it is released for general viewing.

I don't think we've had 'hysterical' yet,unless I've missed it.

If KJK were to hold a LWS event near me that I could attend I'd like to imagine I'd be like this woman:

It's more likely that stage fright might hit me and I'd end up rambling and mumbling. The attendees are supportive even if you’re not a gifted speaker, yeah? That's something we need more of. How ugly to disparage an ordinary woman who's screwed up the courage to speak.

I believe Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater and Sarah Phillimore (and I expect other activists) have all attended previous LWS events.

Helen Joyce and Maya Forstater definitely have, I've seen them. I've also seen many other activists there.

KJK is arranging events which give other women a platform to speak freely, events at which she has to have security for her own safety. Yup, definitely not making the effort to support other organisations at all

I missed it due to missing everything this last week but it's a fair old point!

A conference to discuss treating something that doesn't exist.

I think speakers are free to advertise their own initiatives too. So MF and HJ are able to promote SM at LWS events. Allowing groups a platform to advertise is supporting them.