KJK’s insane rant

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Kjk’s decision to attack everyone who is not her lapdog is increasingly destructive. It looks like Can-sg put on a great conference. Those doctors who have spoken up have risked their careers. Kjk has become famous and has started a business from LWS. She has benefited way more than any of these doctors.

Her work could be powerful if she just stopped attacking everyone else. But these days she is a demagogue and causes more harm than good by capitalising on vulnerable and timid women and telling them that they need her to speak for them.

And another point - elsewhere here there was grumbling about a newspaper headline with this event being described as a "gender critical" conference, because it wasn't - it was a medical conference that had invited some well-known gender-critical speakers.

It is mischaracterising the event to describe attacks on it as an attack on "her own side" (or "our own side").

It's certainly great that the medical profession is starting to listen, and I'm interested to see the recording, but I don't think "starting to listen" is sufficient to exempt you from someone pointing out that you're still considering hormonal treatment for children for mental-health issues, and how extreme that is.

From the invitation I got about the conference...First Do No Harm brings together clinicians, researchers, parents, patients and therapists to explore in depth some of the key issues in promoting safe, evidence based health care for children and young people with gender related distress.

So her point is there IS NOT EVIDENCE for health care for GENDER RELATED DISTRESS so no need for the conference to exist.

Wow - she’s raging 😂

We need KJK and we need those who spoke at, attended and organised that medical conference. We don’t necessarily need to have them all ‘linking arms’ but as long as we’re all shoving in the same general direction - that’s what matters.

I thank the OP for posting this video. I think it’s worth watching. Leave aside any popularity contests. Mull over some inconsistencies in how you yourself would approach things - it is what it is and KJK is what she is. Do what you need to do to help things along. Push.

Right - in a nutshell.

Its sobering clarity right there.

She supports everyone on here.

She sends us cheese.

I was working my way through the transcript as well so, thanks NS.

I think it is really time for the OP to discuss the points and fucking stop the ad hom attack. Otherwise this is just another one of those KJK attack threads and it then brings to mind if the OP has started one of these just like it in the past. Because it feels very familiar.

Thank you, that is a useful transcript.

A very fair position, really. It's not my position, but it is coherent and arguable.

I would LOVE to care so little about people pleasing.

Posie is an object lesson in feminism, imho.

So just go make your own video, then YOU can tell off the correct people and kjk can carry on as she is.

Oh great, it's that time again - another KJK bashing thread. It must be all of 5 minutes since the last one...

FWIW, why the fuck should she spend all her time supporting and bigging up other organisations? She's always been a one woman band, but gives time and space for ordinary women to speak if they wish at her events.

I sort of love how much some people seem to hate her, it's bonkers.

I've never criticised her, I think a lot of the work she does is valuable. She's gone full on Evita Peron. I'm done.

Sometimes I see KJK picking fights with people like Hannah Barnes or Stella and I do think "FFS pick your battles" so I expected to watch that and maybe think the same.

However I just found I agreed with every single word.

Why, which bits do you not agree with?

Sometimes I see KJK picking fights with people like Hannah Barnes or Stella and I do think "FFS pick your battles" so I expected to watch that and maybe think the same.

Ditto. There are a quite a few cases recently where I think she's lost the moral high ground by joining in the pig-wrestling/bun-fighting internecine struggles, rather than ignoring them.

But I don't really see anything particular to disagree with here.

I don't really understand her motivation. This fight has many fronts - the audience for CAN-SG is other clinicians and needs to be the careful, balanced, nuanced language that other clinicians will take seriously. You can rant about how wrong it is (and be completely correct) but to get the RCGP, RPsych, RCPCH, RCP, GMC etc etc to change their positions, you need to address them in their language.

That is not to deny KJK's role and work which is/has been very valuable. But the cat needs skinning multiple ways - can she not see this?

As for constructing a narrative from a single slide, taken out of context - why? Why not wait to see the whole video? She may feel righteous anger (and who wouldn't) but it needs to be properly directed, not just lashing out at the very people who have an important role in helping turn the tide.

Oh well just like the video you're about to make and upload to YouTube, here is your chance to start events too.

You assume kjk would even know you had an event planned. I dont think she knows who you are and you dont live in her head as she appears to live in your head.

I reckon your safe to start your own events, I might even come to one.

thanks you for that - I found it interesting.

I don't know who either of these people are - but after watching quite a bit of the OPs video re the supposed rant I didn't see anything negative.

This post with the video is very interesting thank you - the irony that a man is saying transgender women won't feel safe in liverpool because of a sign with the definition of a woman on it....but what about women's safe spaces - especially those for our daughters and granddaughters? Does he not care about the whole point being that women around the world want to feel safe in women's safe spaces?

I have always 100% on the side of live and let live and give people the respect and space to let them live their authentic selves as long as its not hurting anyone and this includes transgenders. But I want to know my daughter / granddaughters will not be expected to accept biological males in their safe spaces.

I think its very telling that this Dr Adrian was very clear that from a medical perspective he accepts there is a difference between biological women and men.

Thank you NS, for that.

Not only do I think that is crystal clear, I think she has every reason to be furious.

Women have been asking for, what is it, 10 or 15 years for evidence there is such a thing as gender identity. No evidence has been forthcoming.

You don't have to be a doctor to see that.

The incrementally slow progress of people who are finally coming round to the same conclusion IS infuriating. But it's bloody scandalous when it's doctors.

I think if you set up a conference on the basis that you are going to deal with "gender", "gender identity" and "gender dysphoria" you're just not on the same fight as me.

And the fact that they are labelling any behaviour using the terms of trans ideology certainly would indicate to me that they still haven't grasped it.

The insane rant I can see here is yours OP.

"I just saw a video of a woman (not kjk) rambling on and on and didn’t think much of it. Kjk is a brilliant speaker but her events are awful imo . They’ve had their day."

Fuck. That shines a new light on this OP.

So, women who bravely get up and speak at LWS, who are everyday women who are nervous, scared and just want to be heard, are now being judged by the OP. I wonder... does the OP consider themselves a feminist?

Fuck no! That is just grim. A complete lack of empathy and understanding about the events. An entitlement too that those women owe people anything. Those women don't owe OP or anyone else 'entertainment' or even fucking concision.

And gosh... her events have had their day.... not many attended... Did you go to Hyde Park, OP? Have you ever been?

Did you notice that 11,000 people have watched this weekend's event on YouTube?

Not everyone attends regularly and particularly not in Winter. They are on most months so therefore are not going to have large crowds regularly. I don't think that KJK is very worried by the numbers that have turned up this weekend at all. But didn't you infer that you had discussed this with her up thread with the 'How do you know' comment to Ova? So, if you know this, please let us all know. Maybe we should rally around and attend the next one so she is aware that even though we may not agree with all she says, her events are still important.

Either way, your opinions about the women who do speak, says a great deal about you.

Just a reminder, Let Women Speak events are for any female person to get up and be heard!

It's really telling that even people who don't always agree with some of the things KJK says, they appreciate a) her pushing of the Overton window, and b) her guts.

It's a massively stark contest to those who appear to truly hate her.

No amount of I agree with this and that, or I used to like her but, makes the slightest dent in that impression.

So the only example anyone can find of kjk supporting other organisations is from 2019 😱
The majority of women on this thread seem to be mostly KJK’s lapdogs who just want to fangirl their leader.
Thanks to the odd poster who made a thoughtful point.

11k views is dreadful for a channel with 110k subscribers @Helleofabore . If you compare like with like - look at other channels that have equivalent numbers of subscribers and you’ll see her views are terrible. That’s not me attacking kjk, I’m merely pointing out an easily verifiable fact.

i don’t “truly hate her” @Datun that sort of language is embarrassing for us all. I think she is destructive and strategically stupid

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