Little OJ has left Labour!

[AdamRyan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68622127

This is great news and shows Labour is going in the right direction imo. Bye bye L'OJ

I'm very surprised this was deemed newsworthy however 😂

Think that's a bit unfair. Most people are interested in the Gaza war and want a ceasefire

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48675-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-february-2024-update

It's not, and should not be, a left/right issue.

The Center for Peace Communications works through media, schools, and centres of spiritual and moral leadership in the Middle East and North Africa to roll back divisive ideologies and foster a mindset of inclusion and engagement.

It also gives voice to ignored Gazan voices which reveal what life is really like under Hamas rule: https://www.peacecomms.org/gaza#whispered-in-gaza

https://www.peacecomms.org

Your regular reminder that there was a ceasefire in place on 6th October.

This isn’t a new obsession for the likes of OJ.

Please stop rebellious. This is a thread about OJ leaving Labour, not Israel Gaza. I can start one on the ME board about OJs attitude towards Gaza if you want to continue the discussion there?

Not sure why you are thinking I need a "reminder". I just posted the polling which shows what most people want today. There most definitely is not a ceasefire right now.

People are suggesting OJ is a hero becaue of his stance on Israel/Gaza.

It's so disingenuous to say well what about these people or these people? Most of us do care actually but the difference is our government is directly supporting the actions of Israel and contributing to the horrors by selling them weapons and parts for F35s. Despite what politicians are saying about supporting aid they still have not reinstated funding to UNRWA to deliver that aid based on flimsy if not nonexistent evidence put forth by Israel. Norway for example has tripled their funding to UNWRA and Spain and Belgium have suspended arms licenses.

No one is arguing that Hamas are not disgusting, abhorrent monsters but you don't get to punish millions of people and kill over 14,000 innocent children whatever your "reason" is. MSF have reported finding children with sniper bullets in their heads.

This is not even an issue about your thoughts on the rights of Israel to exist; this is about a so called ally of our country killing and starving innocent people for the actions of a few terrorists and doing so with impunity

You advise me to go and look at their website (because they don't have any policies that stick in your mind enough that you can just type a couple instead), while simultaneously telling me that that would be a waste of time because obviously they haven't announced anything "solid" yet.

So which is it? Does Starmer have "responsible capitalist" policies that make him the rightful heir to Blairism, or does he not because he's keeping his powder dry till closer to the election? You can't have it both ways.

Basically they have said nothing to indicate they intend to pursue even the modest kind of centre-left social democracy we're talking about, and plenty to indicate the opposite - like a commitment not to raise corporation tax, to oppose wealth taxes, like abandoning ALL the pledges Starmer made about nationalisation etc. when running for the leadership.

I'm just taking them at their word. You seem intent on putting words into their mouth and insisting that one day they will announce the platform to confirm they are what you're already convinced yourself they are.

I think we can all understand wanting to be kind and humanitarian but the situation is not so B&W as you and many others are making out; plus the solutions to the conflict are not so simple as 'ceasefire now'.

Hamas are not a few terrorists - they are about 60,000 ( at least 20,000 now killed) in number, plus there are other terrorists organisations in Gaza too.

I actually can't be bothered with an argument about what their policies are on a thread about OJ. But since you insist:

• Tax on private school fees, reinvest into education. I like this and I'd go further and make it so private schools don't benefit from charitable status.

• halve violence against women and girls, in part by focusing on dealing with repeat offenders for rape, sexual abuse and DV with the same level of police response as the most serious crimes. I hope they also make misogyny a hate crime.

• focus on provision of affordable childcare, especially in the poorest areas. Some of these areas only have childcare places for 16% of children which is just impossible for working parents.

• stop the boats by focusing on dismantling the organised crime gangs that are trafficking people, through better collaboration with Europe

• investment in building the green economy - I don't blame them for not committing to an amount given the complete shambles the economy is in, but I like the intent.

These are the ones I'm interested in, there will be loads of others.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/owen-jones-represented-the-worst-of-labour/

Yes I wonder what it could possibly be that motivates them...?

You cannot control the way a thread develops or what people post. Some foolish posters think this twerp is a 'hero' when he has an obsessive hatred of Israel and is a hideous misogynist. Rebellious was pointing this out.

" Talcum x" lol!

I enjoyed the first half of that article, but then it morphed from a factual entertaining discussion on LOJ into an attack on Starmer. Not sure why. Just your typical right wing Unherd article I guess, not a surprise from an outlet in the same stable as GB news.

Paul Marshall certainly gets around.

@WaterWeasel sorry are you saying that we're all anti semitic?! Is that really what you think?

He’ll be easy to find.
Just follow the slime trail.

Yes, a bit of a disappointing piece, which was a bit short on analysis.

Unherd actually features quite a wide range of writers, including some obviously ideologcally Left wing writers. It also hosts Kathlen Stock, Julie Bindel, Sarah Ditum, Hadley Freeman and plenty of other very interesting commentators. It's nothing like GB News,

A lot of the Leftist obsession with Israel does have its roots in Soviet anti-semitism, yes...Even if those blindly parroting 'From the River to The Sea' are oblivious to any of it. It is just another 'right on' cause for most. When marchers and others are interviewed their ignorance of the history and many of the facts is quite astounding. 'Zionist' is used as a by word for a type of evil and many slip slide between using the word 'Israel' -to 'Zionist - to 'Jew', without even realising they are doing it.

OJ is an over-excitable irrelevence really, except in the febrile twitterspshere he inhabits. He used to be kind of admirable in his youthful brilliance - but that long ago wore off. He's now approaching middle age and doesn't seem at all capable of reflecting on his many diatribes. He has placed all of his faith in a set of narrow ideological constructs, and is now set on defending them to the death.

He's perpetually enraged and angry. Posing as being on the side of a kinder and better politics - yet utterly blind to his own shadow. He'll throw anyone under the bus to save face - rather than admit that sometimes he gets things wrong and that maybe issues are not quite as B&W as he expounds.

I would be ashamed of anyone that thought 14,00 dead children was acceptable on any level. It's really not complicated at all. You either value human life or you don't.

Also I'm half Jewish. And we have many many people in our group so what we hate ourselves?!

*many in our group who are Jewish

Shouldn't this be in flouncers corner 🤔

Not a fan of 'entryism'. But Militant did build around 5k council houses in Liverpool back then. If Starmer can do that he will have succeeded. Dump the IDpol crap.