Little OJ has left Labour!

[AdamRyan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68622127

This is great news and shows Labour is going in the right direction imo. Bye bye L'OJ

I'm very surprised this was deemed newsworthy however 😂

@Itscatsallthewaydown what would you call it then?

I’d say that Israel is defending itself against terrorism. All Hamas have to do is to release their hostages and surrender, then it’ll be all over.

Israel are intentionally starving to death over 1.5 million people. They are stopping water purification systems at the border.

You have to be pretty naive to think this is all about Hamas.

Israel shot two children to death in the West Bank last week, that Hamas too was it?

I refer you to the answer above.

Sorry, you think it's fair to starve 1.5 million people to death?

No we won't. It's the people who vote Tory who will be responsible for more Tory rule.

Maybe go and discuss this on the ME board? Otherwise we could get quite derailed

You keep posting, I’ll keep telling you refer to the above answer.

It's ok, I'll move on. It's impossible to reason with someone that thinks starving 1.5 million people to death for a crime they didn't commit is fair

Back on topic (please), but Owen Jones is a nasty piece of work so the Labour Party are well rid of him.

I'd urge people to read OJ's own article about it (which doesn't even mention trans issues - upon which subject, like others here, I vehemently disagree with him) and see whether there is anything they would actually argue with:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/21/labour-party-cancelling-membership-policies

Among all the simple certainty of "DON'T LET THE TORIES IN!" few people seem to have considered the ramifications of living in a country run by two alternating neoliberal parties, in hock to a combination of corporate power and bigoted right wing ideology, with no meaningful opposition and a dysfunctional electoral system that makes it impossible to dislodge them.

The Labour Party is full of these sanctimonious twats who would rather have a Tory government than a Labour one that actually has to do stuff like pay the bills. One less won't be missed. Especially when it's the hypocrite Owen Jones.
Re Gaza- it wouldn't have saved a single life if Labour had called for a ceasefire. The bloody UN have done it and been ignored. All it would have done is appease people on marches. Starmer expects to be Prime Minister. He has to go with internationsl consensus as these are proper his government would have to deal with at a later stage.

"bigoted right wing ideology
Really?
I don't think Starmers Labour are right wing. They are centrist, nu- Labour. Not sure it's a good idea to call people bigoted.

I understand why the further left voters don't like it, but I don't see their defection elsewhere as a big problem for Labour. Its not like Corbyn did very well at winning votes.

LMAO

He makes a big deal about his parents' Labour credentials, usually forgets to mention their massive support of Militant Tendency. That's his 'Labour tradition' and frankly he can fuck off with it.

Mind the door doesn't hit the arse on his way out

Thanks Windy. I was close.

Except for their policy commitments on trans rights which they want to 'modernise'.

Their policy is to support Israel whilst also supporting humanitarian aid to those effected by the consequences of the Hamas atrocities and the subsequent war/military operation in Gaza.

A donkey would win over the Tories, so Starmer should be ok.

I think we have the most naive viewpoint of the year here.

Owen jones has consistently been the only member of the media brave enough to keep calling out Labour on Gaza and to keep drawing attention to the ugly, unutterable things happening in Gaza. He’s a hero for that.

Ridiculous comment - imagine if every government or political party thought on any issue, well, it won’t make a difference anyway, so let’s not take a moral stance. Doesn’t wash with any other issue, does it?

"Modernise" means make it a bit quicker and less bureaucratic. It doesn't mean make it easier.
Not that that's relevant to L'OJ leaving. It's probably a factor he's too savvy to raise.