Little OJ has left Labour!

[AdamRyan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68622127

This is great news and shows Labour is going in the right direction imo. Bye bye L'OJ

I'm very surprised this was deemed newsworthy however 😂

Just to be clear, I didn't call Starmer bigoted, I said he was in hock to bigoted right wing ideology. That's where he's chosen to focus his fight against the Tories, for example by playing to the red wall Brexit gallery and hoping nobody notices that he was an absolutely vehement Remainiac who did everything he could to push Labour in that direction.

And Starmer is not nu-Labour. He makes Blair look like Che Guevara.

Your second paragraph is probably true, at least in the context of Starmer's strategy, which is to convince centrists and soft Tories that he'll govern according to the same basic ideology and the Tories, but with less incompetence and corruption, and reassure them that they don't have to fear any of the traditional left wing bogeymen like higher income taxes. In fact I'd say these sorts of things like OJ flouncing would be seen by him as a positive benefit, because thet help to distance him from the dangerous left and thus increase his appeal to the cautious right and centre. That's why he threw Corbyn out from the supposed Labour "broad church".

Which of us hasn't looked at Owen Jones and thought 'We Deserve Better'?

Starmer this evening:

He is not a fucking hero at all.

Well, he is to many.

In fact I'd say these sorts of things like OJ flouncing would be seen by him as a positive benefit, because thet help to distance him from the dangerous left and thus increase his appeal to the cautious right and centre. That's why he threw Corbyn out from the supposed Labour "broad church"

LOJ leaving the party IS a big boost for Starmer and I imagine he is very pleased indeed. I know I am. And you are very foolish indeed if you think that Starmer shouldn't be appealing to the centre/centre Left if he wants to win.

Yes I imagine that anti-Semites loved his questioning whether the Israeli women were actually raped or not on October 7 as it was not actually caught on film. Vile misogynist creep. He can fuck off in to the far distance as far as I am concerned.

https://twitter.com/AllisonPearson/status/1732125394927600054

No idea what that means but if it’s meant to be impolite, I’m not bothered. Fwiw, I’m GC but the way-wahing over Owen jones is pathetic. You can disagree with him (or anyone) on an issue but also applaud them when they stand up for what’s right.

Eh? I think everyone knows he was a remain supporter. But that was 8 years ago. We've all got over it.

Starmer is 100% nu Labour. Socially responsible capitalism. What's not to like if you aren't a fascist or a communist? To be honest I think most people want "boring competence" after 8 years of divisive culture wars.

Its not like Corbyn did very well at winning votes.

Corbyn nearly won in 2017. How quickly people forget.

exactly. He’s a bloody misogynist creep. Anyone lauding him on this board of all places needs a quiet word with themselves. He’s no friend to feminists. Not one little bit.

I believe the phrase is “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory”. The 2017 and 2019 elections should have been landslide Labour victories, against a hapless and divided Conservative Party, but both ended in Labour defeats.

Well, Theresa May called the 2017 election in part because she thought she was going to absolutely slaughter Corbyn, reduce Labour to a rump and increase the Tory majority.

Instead, she lost her own majority and was dependent on the DUP.

Perhaps Corbyn would have won if his own party hadn't sabotaged him.

Last word on this as I can see where this is going to go - as a feminist, I can laud whoever I like without being told I’m a bad feminist. Things are more complex than people on this board like to make out especially for us feminists of colour. An example - I saw Maya and Rosie in a gushy spread in the vile (and dare I say, misogynistic) daily Mail the other day. Guess that was okay with everyone though? So, I would just urge people to watch Owen Jones’s videos on Gaza - they are sobering and tragic.

I didn't say that he shouldn't, if he "wants to win". I simply pointed out that he is. Because winning is all he wants, and there's no ambition to achieve meaningful change involved.

That's not what I want, as a leftist. But sure, from Starmer's point of view it makes perfect sense.

@AdamRyan

Starmer is 100% nu Labour. Socially responsible capitalism.

What policies has Labour announced (and not rowed back on) that you consider significantly more "socially responsible" than what we already have?

Nu Labour created Sure Start, working tax credits, the minimum wage and massively reduced NHS waiting lists, just for a start. What has Starmer said he will do that is similar to even these modest examples of "socially responsible capitalism".

And with no substantial change to the relationship between state and private sector, refusal to raise corporation tax or levy wealth taxes etc, and an economic outlook very much more pessimistic than that of the early 2000s, how do you suppose they would pay for such policies, even if they had them?

Nearly won??

Corbyn, lest we forget (and i bloody well don’t)

You can absolutely support who you want - people are just making you aware that you are supporting a massive misogynist. It's up to you of course.

I imagine that the vile Guardian, happy to platform this little prick wouldn't go anywhere near Maya and Rosie - they are doing what they need to do to get their message out there because misogynists like Jones block them for their terfiness and bigotry. And you won't explode If you read the DM - you clearly do read it anyway!

I too will never forget.

Con 42% of the vote, Lab 40%.
"the Labour Party made a net gain of 30 seats with 40.0% (its highest vote share since 2001 and its highest increase in vote share between two general elections since 1945). It was the first election since 1997 in which the Tories made a net loss of seats or Labour a net gain of seats. The election had the closest result between the two major parties since February 1974"

Go and look at their website.
And why would they announce anything solid, all that happens is the Tories take the chance to mess it up for them. E.g. non-dom tax at the last budget.

2% is a massive majority, enough to know the Will of the People and to brand one side "losers".

That just proves he appealed to a very narrow constituency of people probably in large cities, probably mainly London. Yes, we have a shit electoral system. But you work in the world you have, not the world you want. If you don't get elected you can't do anything you want to do. Corbynites also forget what happened in 2019.