“Trans treatment waiting list a ‘death sentence’”

[NitroNine]

While the title of the thread is the main-page headline on the BBC website, the actual article is - rather less dramatically - titled Transgender patients could face years-long wait for NHS treatment.

It is so grossly offensive to suggest not getting cross sex hormones [paid for by the NHS] = fatal. There absolutely are delays in care that are fatal: people are (for example) dying of cancer, from [complications of] anorexia nervosa, & of treatable cardiac issues.

That coroners are legitimising this idea is ridiculous. In one case, the individual had accessed private care.

The suicides are of course tragic, but they show what’s needed is more investment in mental health services. Not to push the - completely false & irresponsible - narrative that trans people are doomed to die while waiting for treatment.

Hmm yes I saw that on BBC.

Its all logically nonsensical isn't it.

“Give me what I want or I’ll kill myself” is seen as an abusive tactic.

Impartial reporting 🤔

The BBC ramping up the rhetoric post puberty blocker decision

They can join the many other TRAs and genderists on SM who are stepping up their reaction

That article really annoyed me.

Mentally ill people need access to mental health treatment and shouldn't be waiting a long time for it in case they commit suicide. Being transgender shouldn't trump other people's right to access any health treatment.

Although I thought it was interesting that it was suggesting a lack of surgical intervention was the problem not lack of mental health care.

Wasn't there just a call from the head of Suicide Prevention to stop saying this sort of thing?

Can anyone tell me of any other surgical interventions considered appropriate for a mental health problem?

This Lobotomy 2.0 approach to a social contagion will not end well. How about we stop giving radical plastic surgeries to people rejecting healthy body parts and offer them exploratory therapy instead?

Yes I believe there was. TRAs don't care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68588724

If you strip away the outrageous activist hyperbole, I think this buried at the bottom of the article is the real news:

'"In 2024/25 the NHS will launch a timely review of the adult service specifications through a process of engagement with professional bodies, clinicians and academics, and patients and the public."

What did all the people featured in the article have in common?

Journalistic responsibility.
Public service broadcaster responsibility.... the BBC should know not to do this.

I'm actually quite concerned about the expectations of some of the people in that article.

More than once they have a middle aged person saying that the long waiting list for surgery (they say this specifically) is preventing their transition.

They clearly have already transitioned - I worry that they think that surgery (presumably implants since most don't get genital surgery, but the same holds for genital surgery) is going to transform them in a way that is likely completely unrealistic.

I can't see how their mental health is likely to improve once the initial euphoria is past, and statistics seem to bear this out.

Irresponsible reporting

Wouldn’t expect anything less than panic-inducing hyperbole from the BBC on this issue.

A coroner ruled the long waiting times to access gender care had directly contributed to her death

I'm shocked at this from the Cononer. How could they possibly state this as a fact? Did the Coroner actually say this or is it just the BBC reporting that they did

Time to write another complaint letter

It is irresponsible reporting, especially in the manipulative narrative that people will commit suicide if they're not given whatever treatment they've set their hearts on.

I hope the NHS review considers this kind of coercive and dangerous approach carefully in the new review.

Suicide should not be used as a lever to try to exert pressure on HCPs. Especially when there is evidence that shows suicidality tends to worsen post transition.

In fact a careful, open, and thorough examination of the narrative of suicide should be central to the review.

If its not a mental health issue why is suicide being referenced as a possible reason to treat?

On what evidence are they basing the treatment?

I think the coroners comments could be said of quite a few deaths on the current NHS waiting lists, we all ha ve to wait.

Personally I don't think the NHS should fund any physical intervention for people who wish they were the opposite sex. There's no evidence it work. I am a live and let live person generally so if people want to pay for plastic surgery, I'd not ban it. But we're not paying for boob jobs, face lifts etc from the public purse and there's no evidence that the people wanting those are any less distressed about their body being other than they wish it were.

Yes you’re right

Isn't the suicide rate at least as bad after transition? On that analysis, the "treatment" itself is also a death sentence.

I’m pleased that trans healthcare in general in the UK is moving closer to being evidence based. No one should have access to cross sex hormones unless they are of benefit that is proven by properly conducted clinical trials, or as part of a clinical trial to assess their effectiveness to treat gender dysphoria.

Literal violence
Genocide
Killing our trans siblings
Death sentence

People are dying waiting for life saving treatment/surgery and somehow waiting for the NHS to fund a chosen lifestyle is a 'death sentence'. It gets more batshit crazy every day.

Let's see a, radical overhaul of how we deal with homosexuality. Let's understand how porn is toxic and educate young people who will become parents on internalised homophobia. Being gay isn't all rainbows, unicorns, drag and screaming. Until we end this parade of bullshit perpetuated in our media we will rarely see the regular, positive gay male role models. Too many still prefer a trans daughter over a gay son and that's playing straight into the hands of Ru Paul, Dylan Mulveney etc. Our society still totally misunderstands and misrepresent gay men. Let's separate the AGP fetishists from the argument, they seem to be the only people benefitting.