“Trans treatment waiting list a ‘death sentence’”

[NitroNine]

While the title of the thread is the main-page headline on the BBC website, the actual article is - rather less dramatically - titled Transgender patients could face years-long wait for NHS treatment.

It is so grossly offensive to suggest not getting cross sex hormones [paid for by the NHS] = fatal. There absolutely are delays in care that are fatal: people are (for example) dying of cancer, from [complications of] anorexia nervosa, & of treatable cardiac issues.

That coroners are legitimising this idea is ridiculous. In one case, the individual had accessed private care.

The suicides are of course tragic, but they show what’s needed is more investment in mental health services. Not to push the - completely false & irresponsible - narrative that trans people are doomed to die while waiting for treatment.

This did make me laugh!

They wanted what now? People to operate on each other?

I...erm... <stunned silence>

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881885/Norwegian-called-Eunuch-Maker-46-admits-carrying-castrations-livestreaming-shocking-footage-paying-audience-six-year-period.html

Given the manifesto was anti-carceral they could release that Eunuch Maker, the self-styled, livestreaming, self-taught surgeon 'operator' and similar technicians who could start an operating list. They could mentor others…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881885/Norwegian-called-Eunuch-Maker-46-admits-carrying-castrations-livestreaming-shocking-footage-paying-audience-six-year-period.html

As I remember, it was pointed out, there was no barrier to qualifying for and attending medical school to become a surgeon. Because no sane person would want those not of the qualifications, academic capacity, training or experience to pick up a scalpel.

And who would be funding, providing, servicing etc the operating theatre/nursing staff/equipment? Recovery facilities? ICU back up facilities? Anaesthetists?

Ground Control still calling Major Tom, can you hear us....?

Oh my word, Otter, you've not had the pleasure?

Here it is.

Enjoy.

https://edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/amp

They are very special people, aren't they? 😕

Darwinism starts to come to mind.

Always worth a reread, it's the most batshit thing I have ever read in my life.

Sorry if it’s been posted already but this doesn’t seem like good news:

Hannah Barnes
@hannahsbee
NEW: NHS England has announced that new youth gender services will provide masculinising and feminising hormones to children from ‘around their 16th birthday.’ This goes further than GIDS ever did: YPs cld only access hormones at 16 if they’d been on puberty blockers for 1 year

https://twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1770913390896070658

Fuck me. That reads like sugar-crazed toddlers demanding free access to Haribo.

It brings to mind someone I know who has been sectioned. She is convinced she’s obese despite being painfully, life-threateningly thin. She is convinced she should be able to do as she wants with her own body, and that those who prevent her from starving herself to death are being cruel and unreasonably controlling, and they must be fought against.

They are far more likely to

a) desist before 16 without the blockers ‘locking them in’
and
b) more likely to have bodies that are capable of later detransing to a somewhat healthy state if they just have cross sex hormones from 16 rather than 4-5 years of blockers followed by cross sex hormones at 16.

Fertility is largely recoverable after a limited period on cross sex hormones but if you block puberty from tanner 2 or 3 the child never develops far enough to become fertile (or have an orgasm ).

Plus no blockers =‘ more time to gain an understanding of one’s emergent sexual orientation, rather than cutting it off before it ever really gets going.

On paper it sounds worse but in practice (as a stepparent of an ROGD girl) I think it’s actually the preferable one (of two shit scary options).

Agreed that it isn't good news but this has looked like the direction of travel for some time.

The new centres had people in places who would support this policy. And it looked inevitable ever since it was obvious that the York analysis study wouldn't be completed within the lifetime of the Cass Review. Even more so with the news about the upcoming Simonoff study. NHS England is obviously convinced it's possible to get a GnRHa study past an ethics review.

Barnes' ThreadReader for anyone not on TwiX: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1770913390896070658.html?

I caught the end of Newsnight last night and saw they were covering this.

I was shocked at how many gender clinics there are across the UK.

Ten years ago, after a lifetime of PMDD and a few suicide attempts (and a lot of self-harming) due to my hormones, that worsened at perimenopause, I could NOT find a menopause/HRT clinic in my part of the UK.

I ended up seeing different gynaecologists who knew next to nothing about menopause let alone HRT. I was told by one that women my age only wanted HRT to look attractive to younger men. WTAF?! Oh, and menopause only lasts 2 years. I honestly wish the worst menopause ever on that doctor!

There still isn't a menopause/HRT clinic in my part of the UK but there are 2 gender clinics within 25 miles of each other.

I've been on HRT several years now but currently fighting my GP to keep it. HE says I don't need it at all and I certainly don't need periods at my age. As if HE'D know!

I'd like to agree with him about the periods, especially as I've had them over 50 years now, but I've tried every form of HRT known to woman and the only one that doesn't affect my mental health as bad as the rest is the one that gives me periods. I had to pay privately to see the gynaecologist that spent time and effort to get me on this form.

I can't be the only woman here who has suffered to the point of serious self-harm and real suicide attempts due to her hormones. Or is struggling with her menopause. Why aren't we taken seriously or featured on news programmes?

I can't be the only woman here who has suffered…Why aren't we taken seriously or featured on news programmes?

I feel the clue is in the word that I italicised from your words…

The article perhaps, but the claim about suicides. I cannot find anything on that in that link, though admittedly I did not bother to search for long.

Soz, that link is just the wait list data/how they’ve decided that waiting lists are over a decade (when many people currently seen have actually been waiting around 4 years, so about the same as an average NHS autism assessment and less than general mental health referral for adults in Manchester, and probably elsewhere too)

I’ll have poke around and see if I can work out where their suicide numbers have come from later on tonight).