“Trans treatment waiting list a ‘death sentence’”

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While the title of the thread is the main-page headline on the BBC website, the actual article is - rather less dramatically - titled Transgender patients could face years-long wait for NHS treatment.

It is so grossly offensive to suggest not getting cross sex hormones [paid for by the NHS] = fatal. There absolutely are delays in care that are fatal: people are (for example) dying of cancer, from [complications of] anorexia nervosa, & of treatable cardiac issues.

That coroners are legitimising this idea is ridiculous. In one case, the individual had accessed private care.

The suicides are of course tragic, but they show what’s needed is more investment in mental health services. Not to push the - completely false & irresponsible - narrative that trans people are doomed to die while waiting for treatment.

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Yes. I believe Sandyford in Glasgow are struggling to recruit. Who knew medics wouldn't be queuing up to book in teenagers for surgeries based on flimsy/scant evidence.

I reckon there's a decent business opportunity in selling affordable wigs with an added service of showing people how to wear them properly.

An orchid?

'Orchid' has an interesting etymology, of course.

Who knew medics wouldn't be queuing up to book in teenagers for surgeries based on flimsy/scant evidence.

And, given the way the wind is blowing, who in their right mind would want to risk finding themselves dragged into an enquiry or accused of doing harm? You’d have to be a die-hard gender ideologist to think of pursing this clinical avenue.

BBC South Today feature can be seen here until 6.57pm tomorrow (Thursday 21st), from about 1 minute in:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001xjf5/south-today-evening-news-20032024
Orchid crushing at 4:10.

Haha yes I wanted to quote the picture of a man crushing an orchid and refer to the obvious analogy the BBC are trying to portray but I fear it's a reportable offence and I'll get my post deleted.

Bollockworts

ah thank you! Poor faded flower.

Newsnight tonight 🙄😲😬🤡

😀 it was a bit!

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 19:53

'Orchid' has an interesting etymology, of course.

That sounds like bollocks to me.

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And, given the way the wind is blowing, who in their right mind would want to risk finding themselves dragged into an enquiry or accused of doing harm? You’d have to be a die-hard gender ideologist to think of pursing this clinical avenue.

Which is why Action for Trans Health had a point - they wanted trans people to get training in how to operate on each other so they were no longer reliant on medically-trained surgeons.

It does make sense as a wish - if your group requires a certain body modification, it may well not be sustainable if you rely on outsiders to do it.

(I can imagine similar calls in communities conducting FGM, for example...)

The downside is the practicality - the belief that what they're doing is so simple it's a "technician" type job that doesn't require the level of training medical surgeons currently have.

That's the first time I've heard anyone suggest Action for Trans Health had a point. I suppose they had lots of points. They were all just utterly insane.

Trans people have been operating in each other for a while. See reduxx’s work into the eunuch files. But let your breakfast go down a bit first.

The BBC wrote an article saying it was a death sentence on the basis of one death and someone else feeling depressed.

How does this differ from other areas of health care with long waiting lists? Why does this one get highlighted specially? This isn't a group without a voice.

Can't believe they have the gall to describe the waiting list as a 'death sentence' when WPATH have just been exposed as knowing about links between cross-sex hormones and cancer - and when the gruesome and heartbreaking dangers of phalloplasty and vaginoplasty (septic infection being reported by some patients) is being exposed.

In that sense I would describe the long wait time, not as a death sentence, but as a welcome stay of execution.

That actually sounds excellent in its awfulness

I want to see some evidence for where this eternal suicide wave of trans children and adults was in the 1970s, in the 1820s, in the 1540s.

As we are often told, trans people have always existed, indeed it is innate in humans apparently, but synthetic hormones and surgery has only been available very recently so presumably they've all been killing themselves en masse prior to that. Should be easy to pinpoint the huge numbers of trans suicides during the First World War and the Great Depression and the French Revolution if you know where to look. Show me the numbers.

I’ve often wondered this, too @FriedGold32

Think back to your secondary school days.

Where was the huge swell of gender distressed friends desperate to transition and unable to?

Hmmm. Nobody I recall. Wonder why 🧐

There wasn't. But there was punks, goths, teddy boys...

Finally watched this. The sad music and wistful gazing (and crushing) of flowers for the transwomen and then matter-of-fact reporting about cancer patients was quite a stark contrast!

The withered orchid crushing scene was comical, reminded me of Brass Eye 😂

Can't believe they have the gall to describe the waiting list as a 'death sentence' when WPATH have just been exposed as knowing about links between cross-sex hormones and cancer - and when the gruesome and heartbreaking dangers of phalloplasty and vaginoplasty (septic infection being reported by some patients) is being exposed.

This is desperate doubling down by the BBC, no doubt pushed by the activists in their ranks and those others who have influence there.