Gay men seems to be solid trans supporters

[mids2019]

Evan Davis, Graham Norton etc......

Gay men possibly seems to be quite supportive of trans issues and I wonder why this ?

Do men think it is a natural or allowable extension of homosexuality to trans or do they identify with trans people as they are both in a minority? Is there a little bit of misogyny in a lot of gay men which surfaced when we see and hear drag queens?

Has trans been successful at putting down GC views as they have successfully marketed themselves as the next step on in an inclusive and compassionate society from greater acceptance of honosexuality.

Men tend to support other men.

The fact that men support TW tells you loud and clear that they see TW as men.

If they saw TW as women, they would not be interested in their issues. Men just don’t turn up to events and rallies and causes for women’s rights. They don’t write articles or books or hold their mates to account for their views about women.

If we got the volume of men turning up for women’s rights as turn up for TW, we’d have won real equality of the sexes long ago.

IME gay men are as split on this issue as everyone else.

I think a lot of public figures (male and female) are either TWAW or keep quiet about because they’ve seen what doing the opposite can do to people’s careers.
There are gay men who don’t take this position too; it’s not a universal thing.

I have gay friends on both sides of this.

One is staunchly GC and thinks that the whole trans movement is regressive because it's telling young people that they're not actually gay but in the wrong body.

I have another gay male friend who wears a Mermaids hoodie.

I am involved in lgbtq+ . Id say about half of the gay men i talk with are supportive of anyone, not just trans people. I am very close to a gay married couple and they are pro any sexuality, man or woman, trans etc. I suppose its all different depending on who you talk to, not generalised.

I would say that neither of them would dream of sex with a trans man whichever side of the debate they are

Actually, now you come to mention it, I think more gay men are becoming aware of the some of the trans issues. Because, guess what - now the trans are coming for them! Gay men are being told that if they won't sleep with trans men, they are transphobic.

Turns out they don't like that...

So now they know how the lesbians feel.

Some are also becoming more aware of "transing the gay away".

I'm not sure two 'sleb gay men, who have to be thoughtful about their reputation and perception, are representative of all gay men and therefore evidence the position they all support trans ideology. All of the gay men I know would not ever have sex with anyone without a penis so they know that sex is real (literally and metaphorically).

Not all gay men do (many don't) ...same as not all gay women do ...not all people do.

Many people do support them

Stop generalising. It loses validation

The Reddit sub r/askgaybros sometimes expresses GC beliefs. It's mainly related to TIFs invading gay male spaces, and their presence on Grindr. They sometimes talk about the assault on women's rights, too. Other GC gay men include Douglas Murray and Andrew Doyle.
A gay male commentator named Andrew Sullivan has recently written that a lot of gay men are woefully uninformed about the situation and are "too busy posting Insta vacation pics" (his words) to realise what's going on.

It's because they are men. They have nothing to lose. Their safety isn't at threat, their sports aren't threatened, even their vocabulary isn't being eroded.

*some gay men

they are not a homogenous group of one-think. Some of the biggest GC people I know of are gay men.

I agree with this.
I also think some of them are more aware of the issues as trans men are invading their spaces, but a man being confronted by a woman in the changing room is a completely different dynamic to a woman being confronted by a man. I think it is more that they don't want to be hit on, and be expected to have sex with trans men.

James Dreyfus is one example of a GC gay man. He speaks sense on the issues.

LGBTQ as a community tend to stick together. The whole Pride culture.

Men who are gay but are perhaps more masculine/don't identify with the whole LGBTQ/Pride flag i've found are not supportive of the Trans madness (as it is now).

From what I've seen, gay men are much less supportive of transmen being in their spaces. They know transmen are female, so logically are not other gay men.

Believe me there’s a very significant number of gay GC men. They are vilified by the virtue signallers if they speak up though.

Range of views among friends. One is being crushed on by a TM friend, which he finds quite sweet and quite amusing with absolutely no intention of stopping liking exclusively biological male bodies, but can't see that he has all the power, the woman isn't in any way sexually aggressive, and that the woman crushing on him is no threat of any kind, so he's at liberty to go awww bless. He's happy to indulge the fantasy, but then he has no experience at all of what it's like to be sexually harassed and threatened by someone way bigger and stronger from the class of people you've historically experienced being intimidated, harassed and assaulted by. He doesn't have a clue.

Many men just aren't bothered really because it just doesn't affect them. You get the occasional unpleasant twit who quite likes being on the team getting to harass and bully and distress women because of the borrowed power/ misogyny.

James is great. I'm very sad that he's lost work over this and suffered damage to his professional standing.

Another very vocal and articulate GC gay man is barrister Denis Noel Kavanagh, @ jebadoo on X/Twitter.

I suspect the tipping point for many gay men would be grasping that most of the children ending up on the puberty blockers/cross-hormones/surgery route are gender nonconforming in the same way they were. This is being treated as a medical problem and the end result is sterilisation, no possibility of orgasm and life-shortening side effects of the treatment. All because their parents, community and (unforgivably) HCPs have thought this was preferable to the possibility that the child might grow up to be gay.

My 33 year old gay son and his partner think all the gender woo is complete nonsense. Maybe it’s gay men in the public eye who feel they have to go along with it?

His career suffered due to his views iirc? Wasn't he one of the signatories to Glinner's letter to Stonewall asking them to at least debate the issue?

Another GC gay man is Fred Sargent, who is very vocal about TRA claims that a trans woman threw the first brick at the Stonewall riots.

The media world is chocka full of virtue signallers who are subliminally threatened with being cancelled if they say anything remotely critical of 'great fun creatively expressed' things like sex clown men dressed as a parody of women being paraded around as funny. If a women speaks out she's a past it hag who doesn't have a sense of humour. If a gay man speaks out he's toxic.

Well, of course, what do you think. Put your thinking cap on and add 2 plus 2 and see where does it lead