Woman arrested after two men found dead

[TurtleMoon]

Very few details but my first thought was that this is highly unusual...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/17/woman-arrested-two-men-found-dead-house-hartlepool

I wonder which type of woman the woman held on suspicion of murder will be? The bigger, stronger type with XY chromosomes or the generally smaller, weaker type (with the ability to bear a child) with XX chromosomes that statistics show rarely commits this sort of crime?

If only we could trust that journalists would be clear and tell the truth. But that trust has been shattered and now we simply don't believe them.

Given the location I can imagine it's an actual woman.

Why does everything have to relate to this subject.

Apologies I thought this was on the main fem board.
However women are capable of murder too.

Well, statistically, men are 9-10x more likely to commit murder than women. So statistically it's much more unlikely to be a women murderer. When you take into account the victims were men (or were they; did the journalist accurately describe them, who knows) it's even less likely because most women couldn't overpower two men. But yes, of course, not impossible.

The main point is that we can't believe journalists any more. And if they'll lie about Scarlet Blake's sex - despite being a murderer and despite the huge disrespect and disregard this shows towards the victim and his family - then they'll lie about anything. Literally anything. Maybe it wasn't two men who were killed. Who knows, anything is possible really.

Agree, would be interesting to see you know, actual facts come through instead of speculation.

It’s happened before.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/ilford-woman-arrested-murder-two-men-dead-b801541.html

My first thought is that it's maybe drug related. A fatal reaction possibly.

We can't trust 'facts' reported in newspapers these days though. That much is clear across a whole range of topics.

Eventually it'll come out in court, then we'll probably know.

A man was convicted of those crimes

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/vytautas-garmus-charged-murder-house-ilford-b859136.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11036061/amp/Ex-detective-53-jailed-35-years-frenzied-murder-two-friends-owed-30-000-to.html

I can’t seem to find anything on the 28 year old woman who was charged immediately after but the killers wife was charged with perverting the course of justice.

Seems the 28 year old woman was the girlfriend of one of the victims, she was very upset on discovery of the bodies and was holding the murder weapon when the police arrived, so the cops tasered and charged her.

That charge seems to have been quietly dropped once the actual killer was charged.

(first 2 screenshots are from the article posted above, published the day the bodies were found, the 3rd screenshot is from an article published after the conviction 18 months later)

Just in my local area, in two seperate incidents, a young woman killed a man violently. (Both were stabbings.) Are you suggesting these women perhaps were not women? Women can kill, and do. Not as often as men, and perhaps not for the same reasons - and they might choose different methods - but they murder.

Women can kill, and do. Not as often as men, and perhaps not for the same reasons - and they might choose different methods - but they murder.

Yes well done for stating the obvious. The point is that women who murder are exceptionally rare and for some reason the police and the press have taken to reporting and recording the crimes perpetrated by men as if they had been carried out by women. As a result of this women no longer believe what is being reported. It is important that we work out when we are being lied to so threads like this one are likely to be commonplace. Even where it turns out the woman in question was an actual woman.

The point is we have to do this.

Given that the media policy is currently to lie whenever a man-who-says-he's-a-woman commits a crime, it is currently likely that any "woman" committing this sort of offense is male.

Female perpetrators are so rare, if there's any chance information could be fuzzy, believing a perpetrator to be female is likely a mistake, as urbanbuddha's "it's happened before" arrest example just demonstrated.

So it's left to us to try to find who of the reported "women" actually are women - not many.

I'd agree that this one at least doesn't seem spectacularly implausible yet, like the Scarlet Blake one - but there's not enough information to say either way.

Surely OP’s point (which I definitely agree with) is that when things like this are reported, we simply don’t trust what a paper like The Guardian has published. We all understand the importance of reliable press reporting in a democracy. The fact that we are losing this is not nothing.

MN only allows discussion of this topic on this board.

Is it exceptionally rare, though? I just stated 2 cases in one year in my local area, and there's likely more I'm not aware of. That doesn't seem particularly rare to me.

Why are you talking about 'women' as a homogeneous block who share one opinion only?

This! I no longer trust the media to report the truth.

That doesn't seem particularly rare to me.

Someone living locally to me won a large sum on the lottery. I expect others have won lots of money. Doesn’t seem rare to me.

For heaven’s sake.

It did cross my mind whether it was actually a woman. But it could be a poisoning, so no physical strength involved.

It's not really doing trans people any favours, this attempt to engineer reality.

Now whenever anyone reads of violent or abusive crime committed by a woman, their first response is to suspect its a transwoman.

The accused in this case has been released on bail.

Yes, it could be a woman. Women do kill, though far less than men.

The issue is that we don’t know, because time and time again we find a few weeks down the line that the “woman” was a man, after all. Latest horrible example - Scarlet Blake, correctly identified as a man on here while all the reporting said woman. It’s “legal fiction” morphing into “legal lie”. And the media shouldn’t be publishing lies.

This. I find that I also question the reporting. I never used to. I also understand that women can and do commit violent offences, but I never used to think we were being lied to by the media and the authorities about it. I do now.

I disagree it's on every topic

To be fair I’ve met many women in Hartlepool who would be capable of killing two men…