Jon Ronson and Adam Buxton

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I'm astounded at this "bonus episode" of "and things fell apart."

Absolutely everything Glinner has said has been proven.

This is a twitter link, I imagine it's on bbc sounds

x.com/glinner/status/1769152705333699000?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

AdamRyan · Today 17:13

+ + Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that Linehan thinks that "all" trans people are groomers? + +

What it has to with the LGB is the long standing, pernicious and harmful lie that gay people are deviant and paedophiles by nature. As shown in the link I posted up thread - this is an old old conspiracy from before anything to do with "the T".

So, to address my first point (which you didn't) you have nothing to support your claim that Linehan says "all" trans people are groomers. You also failed to address my second point, to wit, what has the LGB got to do with TQ?

That same lie is continuing to be peddled under the guise of the threat from trans predators. Hence why the Florida bill is referred to as "don't say gay".

I am not in Florida, you are not in Florida, most posters here aren't in Florida and are not discussing Florida, so why you introduced that non sequitur is something of a mystery.

Finally, are you saying that there are no trans predators, or that transw prisoners aren't far more likely than the average prison population to have been convicted of sexual, or violent crimes against women and children? Or that parents - and the public at large - aren't right to be concerned about that? Or self ID, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones? Or horrific, mutilating operations?

🙄 I'm saying that while there appear to be a disproportionate amount of trans sex criminals, that doesn't mean all trans people are sex criminals or that there is an organised faction using trans issues to be sex criminals
Hiding the thread now as honestly why would I hang round to be called a TRA or a sea lion. Other opinions clearly not welcome

I'm saying that while there appear to be a disproportionate amount of trans sex criminals, that doesn't mean all trans people are sex criminals or that there is an organised faction using trans issues to be sex criminals

No one has said that all trans people are sex criminals.

No one has said that there is an organised faction using trans issues to be sex criminals.

Why are you making this stuff up?

AdamRyan · Today 22:39

I'm saying that while there appear to be a disproportionate amount of trans sex criminals, that doesn't mean all trans people are sex criminals...

Nobody has claimed that.

Again, you claimed that Linehan said that all trans people are groomers. I asked for supporting evidence.

Have you any supporting evidence?

that doesn't mean all trans people are sex criminals
Nobody has said they are. Absolutely nobody has said "ALL". Except TRAs who try to cause trouble/get screenshots. So no idea why you've brought it up as I don't think you are actually doing either. So why use their false arguments?

or that there is an organised faction using trans issues to be sex criminals
Huh? Can you put that into English?

Hiding the thread now
Not surprised. You are starting to talk absolute nonsense with zero links to back any if it up. You are coming across as being argumentative just for the sake of it rather than wanting a proper discussion.

Other opinions clearly not welcome.
I'm willing to listen. But not if you are going to insult me, pretend that certain things are factual but can't back it up, be argumentative with hyperbole everywhere. It's just pointless otherwise tbh.

he thinks gender critical feminists might be spying on him through his phone

Highly unlikely. One of us would have to trick him into downloading some kind of stalkerware app. The Chinese or US Govts OTOH...

It's far more likely that LOJ is trying the old disinformation trick of slinging as much mud as possible in the hope that some of it will stick.

ridiculous "institutional capture" nonsense going on.

Nonsense? Have you read about Elspeth's whistleblowing about civil service capture yet?

Leave aside the speciousness of 'left' vs 'right' in our post-industrialist society, where the marxist definitions no longer make sense

Yes they do. The land-owning classes continue to rent-seek on the land their ancestora stole from the rest of us with literal swords in 1066.

that doesn't mean all trans people are sex criminals or that there is an organised faction using trans issues to be sex criminals

Literally no one has claimed either of those things. You are strawmanning badly @AdamRyan

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · Today 05:35

Nonsense? Have you read about Elspeth's whistleblowing about civil service capture yet?

It's yet another example of "The Process is the Punishment," which is surely doomed to fail. One of the "complaints" in the lawsuit is that she said that only women menstruate, for goodness sake.

The crybully's complaint says, amongst other things, that, "The existence of the network 'has the effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and/or offensive environment for the claimant."

Its all whataboutery and reframing of the issues.

JR and AB have to talk about a friend becoming obsessed because they dont want to talk about gender ideology directly. Institutional capture should have been an ideal subject for JR, but he cant touch it because he is part of the capture.

So the bbc and journalists like JR are continuing to force the narrative away from gender ideology and the institutions attitude to it directly, to how individuals against it were 'obsessed'.

Its the same when people say the real problem is the public assuming every trans person is predatory. Or that individuals arent really bothered about womens sports or women's rights, they are just anti trans. Its tactics to stop people taking about trans ideology directly.

It never works here though, because the whataboutery tend to force the threads go on for pages.

It is a script, isn’t it? Very obvious once you spot it.

I think this is pretty good as an explainer of the disconnect that we see all too often.

The flouncing made me think of this

Yes, It seems like there is so much whataboutery on this issue - it means that disingenuous people don't have to address the actual argument, they can simply dismiss someone entirely, either due to association (as happened to KJK) or by labelling them right wing (and therefore bad and not worth listening to), or by misdirection - but what about this other thing over here.

To me it's a sign of them not being confident to argue this issue on it's merit.

Ok people, what did I miss? I was only away for an hour or so

It would appear that a previous contributor to the thread has been getting any reference to them removed. What strange behaviour.

How odd.

What’s odd is that MN have deleted them. It was all very anodyne.

So, having exhausted the patience of everyone on the board a poster moves to get posts deleted. Another attempt to control/stir up trouble.

I highly recommend ignoring all posts going forward. This is nothing more than tedious community disruption.