Jon Ronson and Adam Buxton

[WarriorN]

I'm astounded at this "bonus episode" of "and things fell apart."

Absolutely everything Glinner has said has been proven.

This is a twitter link, I imagine it's on bbc sounds

x.com/glinner/status/1769152705333699000?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

It’s interesting to see how hard people are pushing the discrediting line now puberty blockers have been stopped

Puberty blockers are far more harmful than any tweet

@AdamRyan Let me frame it another way, all of your points are specious:

Evidence for:

1. friends and family have raises concerns about it - we don't know how they worded their concerns. Was it "We're worried about the effect your principled stance is having on your career" or "We're worried you're becoming a tin foil conspiracist"? Two different things, don't elide them.
2. his wife divorced him over it - GL said she divorced him because of the constant abuse from TRAs, which she felt it was in GL's power to stop by being less vocal about the issue. She has never spoken publically to affirm or deny this claim. Don't put words in the mouth of a woman you don't know.
3. his language on twitter is similar to recognised conspiracy theories (e.g. repeated references to "groomers" and "enablers" - Using social media to 'crack the egg' of gender-confused young people IS grooming and TRAs do it. Giving mentally ill children drugs that will sterlisie them IS enabling and clinicians do it.
4. his behaviour fits some of the characteristics of people who believe conspiracy theories, namely his view of himself as a crusading hero against dark forces that only the enlightened truly know about. - This is entirely your projection and your highly subjective interpretation of certain behaiours you believe you have seen. meaningless.

Evidence against:

1. there are lots of people equally concerned about trans gender issues - Yes, it's a deeply internally incohesive and illogical ideology replete with shady characters, dodgy snake oil dressed up as science, bullying, gaslighting, and lies.
2. there appears to be a higher than average number of trans paedophiles so he could be using sloppy language rather than conspiracy language. - Yes - and also over 90% of transwomen in jail are there for sex offences which is....very much out of kilter for women's crimes. Or even straight cis men's.
3. all his fans on twitter agree with him. - probably because lots of us only became fans because of his principled stance. Although you may have missed the robust and transparent debates many of us have with him when we disagree with a point he makes or the language he uses. Why don't you give him a Follow? You might learn more.

I think the more adults feel exposed on backing the wrong thing the more they’ll throw at it to double down

Also known as the Owen Jones Method.

Speaking of which, did anyone see little OJ's latest tweet about how he thinks gender critical feminists might be spying on him through his phone? Now there's a conspiracy theorist if ever I saw one.

Maybe he thinks X is a private channel of some kind?

hahahaha

He has given us to understand that he is concerned that feminists are spying on his ever dark, dank brainfart, and he asked whether there was 'someone in London' who could help him get to the bottom of this.

I think the OJ Grey Matter (what little remains of it since it all fritzed in the wee hours of Friday 13 December 2019) is experiencing a semi-permanent glitch.

Speaking of which, did anyone see little OJ's latest tweet about how he thinks gender critical feminists might be spying on him through his phone?
Surely the only thing that does that is Facebook. Is Mark Zuckerberg a GC feminist? 🤔

Haha I think GC feminists would rather he was elsewhere rather than that close

I didnt think it was brainwashing, but receiving funds to do so.

Thanks illinivich. Interesting. AB hero worships Bowie so imagine it's hard for him to square that circle. You'd think that might give him a clue some things are more than a "zero sum game".

What it has to with the LGB is the long standing, pernicious and harmful lie that gay people are deviant and paedophiles by nature. As shown in the link I posted up thread - this is an old old conspiracy from before anything to do with "the T".

That same lie is continuing to be peddled under the guise of the threat from trans predators. Hence why the Florida bill is referred to as "don't say gay".

When someone like GL posts saying "these MPs all wants to hurt kids" he's pushing that same lie, that kids are at risk from all trans people (and by extension gay people because of the LGBT).

He's also saying MPs know about the definite risk and were deliberately preventing a bill coming in because those MPs actively want to hurt kids. Its a really unpleasant accusation and to be honest he's lucky he's not getting sued.

Speaking of which, did anyone see little OJ's latest tweet about how he thinks gender critical feminists might be spying on him through his phone?

Hahaha what?

I hate to copy paste any excretion from the Tewitter account of Talcum X, but he tweeted, to wit:

"Sorry for the tinfoil hat type tweet, but does anyone know experts in London who can see if your mobile phone has been tampered with / tapped?"

with later replies/QTs suggesting that he thinks it may be the dastardly work of those evil Terfs, doubtless trying to catch him out as he scours Bumble looking for a broody lesbian.

I am not really on twitter and don't follow anyone - I just have an account to read tweets.

I've scrolled back through GLs twitter and he does spend a lot of time being pretty unpleasant about JR et Al.

I don't know what I'd gain from reading an angry man acting like a toddler because he can't deal with someone else having a difference of opinion. It's not like he's tweeting unique stuff noone knows about. That Ludwig picture must be 8 or 9 years old now

The Florida bill is only referred to as 'don't say gay' by its TRA detractors, who persist in trying to associate trans issues with gay and lesbian issues.

The core of the bill is to protect against the medical transitioning of minors.

"Don't sterlise kids" would be a more precise and truthful way to put it.

OK it's just that you typed out seven whole points, pro and con GL being a 'conspiracy theorist' so I made the error of thinking you'd actually read the source material and applied some critical thinking.

I hate to copy paste any excretion from the Tewitter account of Talcum X, but he tweeted, to wit:

"Sorry for the tinfoil hat type tweet, but does anyone know experts in London who can see if your mobile phone has been tampered with / tapped?"

with later replies/QTs suggesting that he thinks it may be the dastardly work of those evil Terfs, doubtless trying to catch him out as he scours Bumble looking for a broody lesbian.

Hilarious

In its preamble, the bill’s authors write that their aim is to prohibit “classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity.” But later, the actual bill states that “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur.”

Sounds like section 28 to me. Why does anyone want to prohibit classroom discussion around sexual orientation? And why are you pretending it's only about gender identity when it isn't?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna19929#ip=1

What has GL said about the Florida Bill?

What it has to with the LGB is the long standing, pernicious and harmful lie that gay people are deviant and paedophiles by nature.

This has nothing to do with people who identify as trans. Many people who identify as trans are not LGB. Most late transitioning males are heterosexual. Most are married to or in relationships with women. Many of them have fathered children with those women.

That same lie is continuing to be peddled under the guise of the threat from trans predators.

The threat from trans predators is real. Obviously not all people who identify as trans are predators, but some males who identify as trans are. The threat which we are concerned about is male people who identify as trans and who are being enabled in their crimes by people who are going along with their wishes to be treated as women and being allowed in women-only spaces. What these predators all have in common is that they are male. It's nothing to do with their sexuality, but most of them appear to be heterosexual. So it's nothing to do with LGB.

When someone like GL posts saying "these MPs all wants to hurt kids" he's pushing that same lie, that kids are at risk from all trans people (and by extension gay people because of the LGBT).

You don't seem to have understood the context of that tweet. The context about protecting kids is about protecting them from unnecessary and harmful medical treatment, not being protected from trans people.

I disagree with the sexual orientation bit, wholly agree with the gender ideology bit. No way should teachers be telling primary school kids there are 72 genders. No. Way.

So maybe TRAs should call it "don't say gay or tell kids they can change sex'.

That would be a more accurate summation.

You don't seem to have understood the context of that tweet. The context about protecting kids is about protecting them from unnecessary and harmful medical treatment, not being protected from trans people.

Yes

Was it the Lib Dems who received a donation of over a million pounds from a pharmaceutical company who produces puberty blockers?

This is a UK site. Is anything like that happening here? What has this to do with people who are concerned about children in the UK being sterilised? Do you think that children should be sterilised?

I read the debate about Ludwig when it first happened. Back in the day when you could have a sensible conversation about the risks from self-identification on women's spaces and the potential harm of allowing predatory men unrestricted access to vulnerable women and girls.

What's changed is now there's this element of right versus left wing, competitive victimhood about which activists have behaved worse, accusations of "you want to harm women and/or children" being levelled at people doing their jobs and ridiculous "institutional capture" nonsense going on.

I don't need to read the twitter of someone who is fully on the activist band wagon thanks. I'll stick to reading this board and more rational sources about what's happening.