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"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

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WitchyWitcherson · 13/03/2024 08:57

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

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JoyousAsOtters · 14/03/2024 10:35

Hmmm. Lovely weather in Malaga at Easter time. Perhaps we could go on an appreciation trip? (Misses point of thread, but still ….)

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 10:40

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 10:33

The French Foreign Legion march v e r y slowly, half the speed of the Spanish Legion. So they are always last in the Bastille Day parade in Paris.

Of course the French have a reputation (totally undeserved, I'm sure) of being cheese-eating surrender monkeys, so arriving last at a battle might be an advantage. ("Oh! C'est fin? Quel dommage!" 😢)

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 10:45

MagpiePi · 14/03/2024 10:37

Just thought I’d leave this here

Synchronised mincing!

Superb!

As the first comment under that clip said: "Who could have predicted this would be what the military turned out to be in 45 years..."

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 11:06

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 10:40

Of course the French have a reputation (totally undeserved, I'm sure) of being cheese-eating surrender monkeys, so arriving last at a battle might be an advantage. ("Oh! C'est fin? Quel dommage!" 😢)

They also wear aprons.
I'm going to stop now - I've made lots of serious political empathetic thoughtful posts on MN and the one with the biggest impact is one about fellas in uniforms.. how did this happen? why do I know so much about the French Foreign Legion? why did I immediately think 'Tom of Finland' when I saw the Spanish Legion's uniforms? what other areas of my mind are full of weird things? Excuse me while I go and read some Judith Butler [phew, at least my minds isn't that weird!], or burn some sage or something..😄

"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"
Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 11:10

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 11:06

They also wear aprons.
I'm going to stop now - I've made lots of serious political empathetic thoughtful posts on MN and the one with the biggest impact is one about fellas in uniforms.. how did this happen? why do I know so much about the French Foreign Legion? why did I immediately think 'Tom of Finland' when I saw the Spanish Legion's uniforms? what other areas of my mind are full of weird things? Excuse me while I go and read some Judith Butler [phew, at least my minds isn't that weird!], or burn some sage or something..😄

Aprons?

"Quel Fromage!" may be more appropriate, then.

They do look very determined in their little leather pinnies.

Presumably their enemies are incapacitated with uncontrollable mirth . . .

Edited to add - Are those rolling pins they're carrying?

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 11:23

ScrollingLeaves · 14/03/2024 10:09

That is one of the most extraordinarily strange sights I’ve ever seen. It is both wonderful and highly disturbing. What a tangled frame of mind.

The song is 'The bridegrooms of death', apparently.

'The Legion's march step is faster than the Spanish military standard, being 160-180 steps per minute in contrast to the usual 90 steps per minute.'

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 11:33

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 11:10

Aprons?

"Quel Fromage!" may be more appropriate, then.

They do look very determined in their little leather pinnies.

Presumably their enemies are incapacitated with uncontrollable mirth . . .

Edited to add - Are those rolling pins they're carrying?

Edited

Rolling pins and pinnies, perhaps it's just the quality of the picture but, their white caps look like chef hats too.

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 11:34

Are those rolling pins they're carrying?
No, axes. Shiny ceremonial ones.....dammit I've commented again, I just can't help myself. I'm really stopping now. F*k this for a game of soldiers, so to speak🙄

MagpiePi · 14/03/2024 11:40

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 11:35

But Marie, I need your comment on this.

Is there some deep reverse psychology going on here? March into battle singing this and then go totally macho apeshit on the enemy’s arse while they’re laughing at your battle anthem?

MagpiePi · 14/03/2024 12:31

I think we can all agree that there is absolutely nothing homo-erotic or weird about the military. All just manly men doing manly men things....apart from in Spain where they're doing manly women things, or is that womanly men things?

Anyway, move along, nothing to see here.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 12:34

Definitely very manly, lip-synching to Carly Rae Jepson while half naked. Much macho. So bloke.

EsmaCannonball · 14/03/2024 12:41

I'm trying to work out where that Laura Ashley-esque shade of pale green would provide camouflage and can only conclude they are limited to fighting in silver birch forests in the early spring.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 13:25

Possibly designed for combat in late eighties bathrooms with turquoise suites. tonal aqua towels and matching bathsalts? Or any gay nightclub?

EsmaCannonball · 14/03/2024 13:44

Next time I'm in Spain I'll try to approach one on sentry duty and ask him,* 'Excuse me, but would you say that is an eau de Nil?'

*I'll give him a good looking-over first, to assess if he would rather I begin with 'Excuse me, madam .....' I'm not going to assume based on tanned biceps and bulging trousers. If he is a lady I am sure he will enjoy a conversation about eau de Nil.

YireosDodeAver · 14/03/2024 14:14

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 12:34

Definitely very manly, lip-synching to Carly Rae Jepson while half naked. Much macho. So bloke.

I am sure there were at least 3 or 4 heterosexual men in that video @ArabellaScott. But of course being homoerotic is very much within the bandwidth of manliness - let's not buy into the sexist narrative that men not conforming to stereotypes are somehow insufficiently man.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:21

YireosDodeAver · 14/03/2024 14:14

I am sure there were at least 3 or 4 heterosexual men in that video @ArabellaScott. But of course being homoerotic is very much within the bandwidth of manliness - let's not buy into the sexist narrative that men not conforming to stereotypes are somehow insufficiently man.

Eh? That video is wall to wall manly men. It's practically made out of macho! It's testosterone to the power of infinity!

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:22

I'll watch it again to just to check in case I've misunderstood.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

Greece is Alive - [Carly Rae Jepsen - Call me maybe]

Yannis Kazanidis Presents:GREECE IS ALIVEDirected and Edited byDanny DeeArt DirectionYannis KazanidisProduction ManagerStelios KonstantinidisExecutive Produc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW_d9NuBHBs

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 14:40

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 11:35

But Marie, I need your comment on this.

No, I refuse to continue commenting on this, I'm a serious radical lesbian feminist with years of activism behind me .......
whaaat?! Actually singing Barbie Girl?? WTF.
Maybe they were told the English lyrics say 'we will restore the borders of greater Russia' and 'our glorious leader doesn't look at all camp riding a horse barechested'.

I just loved the American soldiers dancing to Call Me Maybe. That's owning it!
I loved the dancing and the attitude. Shame about the weapons and armoured personnel carriers in the background obvs.

And no it wasn't me that started this whole camp soldier thang, my profile must've been temporarily hacked😏

Ginandpangolins · 14/03/2024 14:44

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

I look forward to your essay (with additional video content)!

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 14:46

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

That reads like Judith Butler, Arabella.... OMG.... Could it be...You're not, are you?😱 Say it ain't so!